Personality Counts

[Ayame]

Okay, so I'm not going to use names, but some webmasters/webmistresses are really, really unpleasant. It's one thing if you ask them irritating questions and they respond in an annoyed manner, but it's another if they are complete jerks to you for no reason whatsoever.

A nice little tale:

I was going this one Pokémon site and discovered a broken link. The helpful 404 page instructed me to report this (there's even a page for doing so).

I did so, using the form, making sure that I was informative and not pushy. I included my email address.

The webmistress snaps back at me later, telling me that she announced that the page in question wasn't up yet, acting like I'd done something incredibly unreasonable. Like I'm going to scour the news about the page before reporting it missing in action.

I was taken aback after this, and thought it idiotic that she put the broken link up in the first place.

Encounter two:

The webmistress was quite down after some flamers. (I never saw what they did, but they were reportedly mean.) I sent her a long and heartfelt email telling her what I liked about her site and how it had so much potential, how she deserved a break from her hobby if it wasn't enjoyable for her anymore, and how I hoped she would continue.

Her response was an irate one, telling me that she wasn't quitting, she was just taking a break, and other things. She completely disregarded the kind message.

I was taken aback some more.

Encounter three:

I happened to stumble upon the webmistress's dA a few days ago, and found that her newest journal entry was one annoyed at how some people say Xmas because it's "taking the Christ out of Christmas"!

I responded with:
Actually, calling Christmas Xmas isn't taking the Christ out of Christmas; the name Xmas is very old with the X standing for Christ....
Because of the Greek word for Christ being chi, and chi is represented by a symbol like a cross, it wasn't created to specifically spite Christians.

I'm not saying it's not demeaning to say Xmas, just saying that the word Xmas was not specifically created to demean Christ and not everyone using this word means disrespect.

And her response:
>.>

<.<

Well you don't have to lecture me about it. -3-
Whatever. You think what you want, I'll think what I want.

-_-

I didn't mean for my message to sound confrontational, only informative, and here she is being really unprofessional. And hey, I stated facts. And she chooses to ignore them. Wow. I guess it isn't the place, but I was trying to help.

She sounds almost immature; certainly unpleasant. I was merely commenting and she responds with hostility.

I don't ever want to affiliate with her now, or associate. I don't even want to go back to her site or encourage her. I don't want to cheer on someone who bites my hand off everytime I talk to them.

In short, personalities count- your impression of a webmaster is very, very important. Take this as a lesson.

[Spaekle]

Wow. I think I know who you're talking about. And, from what I know about them, they do things like this all the time. :\

Anyway, I agree - a webmaster has their visitors to thank for even getting anywhere with their site. It's one thing if you keep getting stupid questions you covered in the site's FAQ or if your visitors are being obnoxious and bitchy themselves, but people like this person just seem to be taking their audience for granted. :\

[Zeta Reticuli]

I agree. If you want your site to be popular, it really does help to be a nice person. Tim Buckley learned this the hard way.

[EeveeSkitty]

Agreed, a skill at being a webmaster is being nice.

These webmasters sound bad, and I never knew that dA's webmaster was like...never thought someone who made such a great place could be so mean.

[ultraviolet]

She sounds like a spoilt brat with fans that bow to her every word. There's a lot of that on deviantART.

[Ayame]

Agreed, a skill at being a webmaster is being nice.

These webmasters sound bad, and I never knew that dA's webmaster was like...never thought someone who made such a great place could be so mean.

No, no! I wasn't talking about whoever started dA. The third incident took place at dA, yes, but the first too happened at the fansite.


Yes, it's pretty obvious who I'm referring to- including our conversation makes it just that much easier to Google it and find out. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to discover it.

I thought maybe she was just like that to me, though, since I tend to get on many people's bad sides.

[Spaekle]

Oh, no, I've seen this person repeatedly demand respect from others while acting like this, and then when they don't get the respect they want, they throw little attentionwhoring fits and put their site on hiatus. I think this is more one particular person than something that happens a lot, but there are some rude webmasters out there.

Webmasters who act like everyone's going to love them no matter what they do tend to get on my nerves in general. As do webmasters who take support they get for granted. I had the misfortune of being asked to make graphics for this one guy who was starting up a Serebii-clone type Pokemon site. This was quite some time ago when I was still into making n00bish sites, but was apparently good enough at graphics to get this guy's attention. From what I could piece together, he'd been hanging around one of the big forums that I went on and grabbing people at random to basically throw together a website for him. It was summer and I was bored, so I figured, what the hell.

This guy repeatedly pestered me to make him new buttons and banners without offering any kind of feedback on them, with very unreasonable deadlines. He included absolutely no mention of me on his site; which I guess wasn't that big of a deal, considering the circumstances, but not even a brief mention on a thank you page was kind of saddening. Apparently he'd also gotten to one of my friends and was expecting him to get together an entire informational section of like 20 pages on G/S/C in less than 24 hours. After a while my friend and I both blocked him on AIM and just stopped interacting with him altogether. I don't think his site exists any more anyway. :V

[Zeta Reticuli]

Yes, it's pretty obvious who I'm referring to- including our conversation makes it just that much easier to Google it and find out. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to discover it.
:(((((

Curiosity overcame me, so I googled your conversation, and I didn't find anything. The fact that everyone else knows who this person is only makes it worse.

;_;

[Ayame]

Oh, no, I've seen this person repeatedly demand respect from others while acting like this, and then when they don't get the respect they want, they throw little attentionwhoring fits and put their site on hiatus. I think this is more one particular person than something that happens a lot, but there are some rude webmasters out there.


It's strange that this person, while such an attentionwhore, still brushes off compassion and concern when you do something thoughtful for them. Seems they would at least reward me with some respect if I continued to praise them... But I guess any sort of thing that implies that they've done anything wrong is heresy! Some people seem to be nice to them; I feel sorry for these people, because they're trying so hard and most likely being brushed off... *sigh* I wish they would improve.

You handled the other situation with the unfair webmaster commendably- he sounds just outrageous.
Edit: I Googled the offending webmistress's name and 'jerk' and her friend's dA journal entries came up, annoyed. 0_o This is a bit of a problem. And people responded, saying they'd PMed the poster because they were afraid that the person would see their comments.

[EeveeSkitty]

Oh right.

I googled the conversation and stuff and found nothing...

[ultraviolet]

The fact that everyone else knows who this person is only makes it worse.

Not everyone.

.__.

[Retsu]

Their site isn't worth your time.

[Zeta Reticuli]

Okay, guys.

Stop it.

I want to know who this person is, and you're not making it any easier. ;__;

(anyway, if the person is such a dick to everyone, then why don't you call them out on it so that people know the person is a dick? if the person is a dick them surely they deserve to have people know it.)

[Zephyrous Castform]

The Greek for Christ isn't Chi, but it starts with the letter Chi, which for all intents and purposes looks identical in appearance to an X.

Quite frankly, she sounds like an idiot. It's terrible that she ignored your attempted kindness, really. As Retsu said, she doesn't sound like she's worth your time.

[Ayame]

Since everyone wants to know and I don't see the harm (besides becoming her Person to Bash On of The Month; Artifical Flavour knows very well what I'm talking about...)

It's Kioso of Pokemlon Fictions.
And I am not alone in being plagued, as (http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:dfSXCvYICm0J:s4.invisionfree.com/TUH/ar/t40.htm+kioso+jerk&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us&client=firefox-a) evidenced (http://www.dragonflycave.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1901) by (http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:xyeMkEzC-eAJ:s4.invisionfree.com/TUH/ar/t30.htm+kioso+jerk&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us&client=firefox-a) these (http://emohawkakawhiteeevee.deviantart.com/journal/?offset=20) links.
(Sorry, the cached version is the only version I can find. You can Google some stuff to find the links.)

[Zeta Reticuli]

I've never even heard of that site, but then again I wouldn't be considered active in the fandom by anyone's standards.

EDIT: Hmm, I checked out the site, and while it wasn't awful awful, Retsu was right when he said it wasn't worth my time. :|

[ultraviolet]

Oh, I remember this.

Pfft, just leave her alone. Soon she'll wonder why she doesn't have any friends. c:

[Butterfree]

I'd appreciate if you'd stop the bashing, please. It might well be the truth, but nobody can deny that this is very, very one-sided here, and excessive bashing of named persons is not allowed.

[Chucho]

I admit I was being somewhat annoying by not giving up when I should of, though. I don't like that she removed the rant, though. It shows that she already knew what she put there was wrong, at least to her.

[Shadowstar]

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I know who you are talking about. I'm not naming names. Can we just ignore my friend and get on with life? I mean, it's not like you had to say something, because she DID say that it wasn't up until there were special character that appeared in the comic.

*grabs flame resistant armor*

Can't we just leave her alone?

EDIT: Just great NOW I read that you say the web alias and website. –.–

[Silver-Miatsu]

Go ahead and call me a newfag for randomly showing up again, but this needs to stop. She's an awesome person, and there is probably a lot going on.

You guys really don't know what it's like to own a website. It's stressful, and I'll put it at that. Sure, we were both wrong. Yeah, she was being kinda brash, but you guys shouldn't be bashing her like this. It makes you just as brash. >3>;


Let the flames begin. -3-

[Shock]

Uh. Well this topic is. Wrong in so many ways.

Personally, I agree with you guys. What she did was very rude, inconsiderate, and mean. But I also notice that you all seem to have some kind of habit of posting bad stuff about her there. As I am told many times a day (pessimists ftw), maybe you should look on the good sides, too. Everybody does really God awful crap in their life. I know people here who have actually stalked her to places she doesn't usually tell anyone. You should consider her good factors and see if she's really oh-so-terrible.

Edit: Silver, don't be silly. Only Draco calls us newfags. xD

[Eevee]

You guys really don't know what it's like to own a website. It's stressful, and I'll put it at that.
Boo fucking hoo. Get the hell over it or don't own a website.

[James]

I want to punch most of this thread in the face.

You guys really don't know what it's like to own a website. It's stressful, and I'll put it at that.Not really, no. It's exactly as stressful as you want it to be.

[Silver-Miatsu]

Okay, kids. Calm down.

Well you DON'T. And no, Surskitty, it isn't that simple. So quit fucking freaking out and listen to reason for once. Chances are you Don't even KNOW HER. >3>;; God, this is why I never stayed active on TCoD.

[Music Dragon]

Okay, kids. Calm down.

Well you DON'T. And no, Surskitty, it isn't that simple. So quit fucking freaking out and listen to reason for once. Chances are you Don't even KNOW HER. >3>;; God, this is why I never stayed active on TCoD.
If you're saying "well you don't" as in "you don't know what it's like to run a website"... Well, no offense, but that's a pretty huge miss.

[Retsu]

Okay, kids. Calm down.
best way to get your point across: be condescending

[Silver-Miatsu]

Ugghh. What I mean by that is ANYBODY Can make a website, but it's friggin stressful to actually run a big site. I bet like, what, 1 of you in this thread actually have an active site? Yeah, that's what I thought. And so this is how mods treat members? Pfft. I'm really surprised this site flourished.

[James]

Ugghh. What I mean by that is ANYBODY Can make a website, but it's friggin stressful to actually run a big site. I bet like, what, 1 of you in this thread actually have an active site?... yeah no. Does Veekun (http://veekun.com) ring a bell? Because that's Eevee's. And for quite a while, I was running a website that was fairly large (someone else verify) but my hosting was cancelled fairly recently and I never bothered to put it back up elsewhere because I'd need to fix it up anyway but hey...!

No idea for the rest of the thread, but running a site is exactly as stressful as you let it be.


Also, by the way, you're the one who freaked out over Eevee and I first.

[Silver-Miatsu]

Look, I was just defending my friend, and suddenly I get

"Boo fucking hoo, get the hell over it."

Does that sound nice? Is that how you treat members? >_>

And no, it does not ring a bell. And last time I checked, "Boo fucking hoo" Is freaking out.

[Shock]

Surskitty, didn't you own like, Randomosity or something? I remember visiting that site and I loved it. <3

Edit: Bleh, this is a really off-topic post but whatever.

[James]

You were mocked for saying something stupid. No one argued with you on GEE, PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE ASSHOLES but if you're expecting diplomatic immunity over NONE OF YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO OWN A WEBSITE AND IT'S VERY STRESSFUL, then you are looking in the wrong place.Surskitty, didn't you own like, Randomosity or something? I remember visiting that site and I loved it. <3

Edit: Bleh, this is a really off-topic post but whatever.>_< Yeah, that was mine. It was pretty bad in places and worked as a demonstration of my fail over the past four and a bit years, but yeah, that was mine. :( Bits of it were okay though!

[Retsu]

Is that how you treat members? >_>
We have a very low tolerance for idiocy. You'll have to excuse us if we value our IQ points.

[Silver-Miatsu]

Okay, seriously, would you all please stop aiming stuff at me? I was just freaking defending my friend as I said before. I'm not TRYING To make you guys freaking mad, or whatever, but I would appricate if you guys would stop throwing shit at me. Ugh, I just want some peace.

[Shock]

>_< Yeah, that was mine. It was pretty bad in places and worked as a demonstration of my fail over the past four and a bit years, but yeah, that was mine. :( Bits of it were okay though!

I think I mainly liked the name; lawl. But I think I really liked some pretty blue layout. C:

Another off topic post. D: I really need something of value to say. x3x;;

[Eevee]

And no, Surskitty, it isn't that simple. So quit fucking freaking out and listen to reason for once.
What reason? All you said was "wah it's stressful so it should be okay to be a bitch to members for no reason".

Chances are you Don't even KNOW HER. >3>;;
Which puts us in an excellent position to judge her!

Ugghh. What I mean by that is ANYBODY Can make a website, but it's friggin stressful to actually run a big site.
And if you can't handle that, you shouldn't run a site.

And so this is how mods treat members?
No, this is how I personally treat people who say dumb things.

And last time I checked, "Boo fucking hoo" Is freaking out.
Well, see, what you are doing right now is freaking out. What I said was merely snide.

Okay, seriously, would you all please stop aiming stuff at me? I was just freaking defending my friend as I said before. I'm not TRYING To make you guys freaking mad, or whatever, but I would appricate if you guys would stop throwing shit at me. Ugh, I just want some peace.
Stop being antagonistic and condescending, then?

[Silver-Miatsu]

Okay. You had your friggin rant, now stop insulting me.

EDIT: Unless, of course, you like picking on me for an unknown reason. >_>

[Shock]

How about we all get lives and stop arguing over the internet liek it r SERIZ BUSINEZZ

There's really no need to fight anymore. I'm ready to just throw the topic at Kioso and make her deal with it.

[Cortney]

Okay. Half of you guys didn't know who this was about, and don't know who Kioso is.

Everybody can be snappy. I'm irritable sometimes, and by the sound of this thread all of your are equally so.

However, I know Kioso pretty well and I'll vouch for her that she's a perfectly normal, nice person. The bickering in this thread is more mean than anything I've ever witnessed her do. Yes, she has emotions. Yes, she can be mean sometimes. But I'd like to find somebody who's nice 24/7: she is as nice as anybody. I think much more of her kindness than anybody in this thread.

So yeah. Grow up. Nobody's perfect, and the fact that there is a whole thread putting down one person with NORMAL EMOTIONS is just pathetic. I'm sorry that all of you are low enough to spend this much time and effort on cruelty.

Peace.

[Jessie]

Lol what, you're all ijits*.

*Firefox supplied alternate spelling 'fajitas'. Mmm, Mexican food.

[Eevee]

Okay. You had your friggin rant, now stop insulting me.

EDIT: Unless, of course, you like picking on me for an unknown reason. >_>
It is rather entertaining.

So yeah. Grow up.
No-read zone detected.

[Butterfree]

(P.S: I don't find running a site to be particularly stressful, and last time I checked my site was considerably bigger than Kioso's. :/ On the other hand, I also know that it is very easy to snap at people when you're in a bad mood in general and come off as a far less likeable person than you are otherwise, so I can't say I think it's entirely fair to insist she's a bad person because of a couple of encounters like that. But even regardless of all that, as I said, excessive bashing of named persons is not allowed here.)