you totally ignored everything I said didn't you
I didn't ignore, but you said the same thing ultraviolet said so I didn't bother to quote you.
your player character freaking moved from Johto what are you talking about
That's probably the only reference in the entire game, and it's so
en passant that I completely missed it.
yeah I know, but what I don't get is that you're still arguing about it as though it's objectively bad when several people have come up and said that they like it.
I'm not arguing, I'm just expressing my opinion, but people feel the need to defend their darling Gen III so it goes on and on...
fascinating! my point was that every generation brings pokemon that kind of suck and pokemon that are kind of neat. I don't battle competitively, so that means basically nothing to me, and how good a pokemon is competitively adds nothing to how good the generation is. I like Hoenn because of its scenery and variety and design and all that kind of stuff because that's what I'm interested in.
Well I play Pokémon because of the creatures themselves. A good overworld helps, and Hoenn's happens to be my least favourite of them all, even behind Kanto which is as minimalist as it can get.
Regarding the Pokémon themselves, Hoenn had the most rehashes of all the regions. I ended up using many Pokémon that resembled the old ones, stat- or appearance-wise, but what I really wanted to use were the old Pokémon. Unova was a much better reboot in this regard IMO.
I brought up unown because I find them similarly uninteresting to the games: I don't watch the movies and couldn't care less about how integral they are to the plot. They look kind of ugly and they're more or less useless to the games unless you feel like catching them all. They're gimmick pokemon, just like luvidisc. See also: delibird, farfetch'd, ditto, castform, chatot, etc. They don't do anything largely because they're supposed to be novelty pokemon. Pointing at luvdisc and going 'see! Hoenn is stupid' is entirely missing the point. Every generation has gimmick pokemon. They're supposed to suck, much like how certain pokemon are designed to be really good, like Metagross or something. Game Freak do put a lot of thought into how the games are set up! There's always the same kinds of pokemon in every game: ubers, niche pokemon, gimmicks, etc. etc. It's just not a valid reason to dislike a generation, because every generation does this.
Yeah but, even among those derps, Luvdisc manages to suck! There's nothing redeeming about it. Luvdisc gets beaten by the base forms of most Pokémon. It isn't even a good way of farming Heart Scales either.
Abilities? Forms? EVs/IVs? Contests? Secret Bases? Rehauled berries? that's a short leap forward to you?
Abilities - Probably the most important.
Formes - Only Deoxys had formes and it was an event Pokémon, so, not really relevant. Don't know if Castform's changes count as formes...
EVs/IVs - The EV overhaul was the single thing that made me hate Gen III. As for IVs, they have existed since Gen I.
Contests - Gimmick at its best. Once they realized no one was interested in them, they moved them to a single city in Emerald, and toned them down even further in Gen IV. Really, Contests were created to give some use to Pokémon that sucked competitively, but most people are interested in the battles, so it backfired tremendously. Waste of space, if you ask me.
Secret Bases - Reminiscent of the player's bedroom from Gen II.
Rehauled Berries - The only good ones were the pinch Berries, which you needed Colosseum/XD to be able to get a large number of them.
You forgot Natures, which made the in-game annoying because a -Speed nature could spell doom against the Elite Four, for example.
Gen III could not have had backwards compatibility. It's not as though Game Freak just kinda went "fuck it! no backwards compatibility for Hoenn! haha!". If Sinnoh or Unova were gen III you'd have the same complaint. It's hardly fair to discredit a game because of technological differences that couldn't be helped. It sucked, sure, but it's not a fault of gen III, it's a fault of a new console and a change in how pokemon were encoded into the game.
Really, that kind of leap from GSC to RSE was kind of necessary and somewhat makes the games what they are today.
In hindsight, it was a good thing, but back then people were hugely disappointed.
see also: all the people who were 13 when GSC came around and still prefer Hoenn. You can't keep saying this when it's kind of obviously not true?? I was ten when sapphire came out and I never had emerald, anyway. D/P came out when I was fifteen, so really this ~remarkable age~ came about for me when no new games were coming out at all!
Well I was 13 when GSC came out and prefer Sinnoh! And Johto with Gen IV mechanics. The Physical/Special split was the single most important breakthrough in the history of Pokémon.
And I'm done arguing because we're going around in circles. I don't want to sound like a troll or something.
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