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Elite Four Choice Pokémafia - Game Thread

Re: Elite Four Choice Pokémafia - Game Thread

Alright, I just confirmed with MF that my role goes before any other roles used that night. So there is no way Dragon could have used her power last night. Thus, the scenario where Butterfree tried to kill the same person that Dragon healed is simply not possible.
 
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Vipera Magnifica said:
Let's take a moment to entertain the notion that I actually am mafia. I try to get Dragon lynched, and she flips innocent, then what happens? I am immediately suspected and lynched the next day.
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Well, you were just earlier trying to establish that if it wasn't Dragon it was definitely me.

I admit your behaviour is atypical for a mafia member in your situation, but if we took that as a bulletproof argument, all any real mafia member would have to do is act incriminating and then declare that this makes them obviously innocent. I think the other, more material evidence strongly points to you.

This is exactly why I suspect her. Altissimo was confirmed to be a healer, and now Dragon claims to have a very similar role. Couple that with the fact that I removed Dragon's role powers last night and no one died, I have a very good reason to suspect her.
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Altissimo was a jailer, not a healer. Jailing incidentally protects the target from being killed, but I don't think that makes it such a "similar role" that any game with a jailer wouldn't have a healer. How does a mafia healer make any sense in a game with only a jailer but no town healers? With Lilycolo's testimony, it's pretty clear Dragon isn't lying about the healer bit.

While it's true that from your point of view the fact nobody died incriminates Dragon (supposing that you really are innocent), nobody dying is equally well explained by you neutralizing Dragon instead of making a kill, so from my point of view that unfortunately doesn't actually give any evidence in favor of your story.
 
Re: Elite Four Choice Pokémafia - Game Thread

Dragon said:
Okay, I'm a healblocker and I think I know how Superbird died a couple nights ago? That.. might have been me, haha. That night I targeted Superbird too (with the intention of blocking him), so I think there was a healerclash there.

I know Altissimo's role doesn't seem like it could healclash but there's a specific mention of healclashing in mine, so unless there's yet another healer (???) Iiii think that's that.
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Dragon says she is a healblocker, not a healer. I take that to mean she can heal and block her target from performing actions? In which case, yeah, that is definitely similar to a jailer.

Also, do this for me. Google "healblocker mafia" and see what results you get. The only results you will get are this thread and another Pokemon forum where the role is defined as such:

Mafia Healblocker: prevents a role from being protected, kept by jailkeeper or rescued by Fireman
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Re: Elite Four Choice Pokémafia - Game Thread

Actually that wouldn't be consistent with what Lilycolo said, so never mind that last part.
 
Re: Elite Four Choice Pokémafia - Game Thread

Digging through the thread again, I just discovered something very important!

First of all, here is a recap of the game so far:

N0 - DarkAura dies.
D1 - Abstain.
N1 – Gevaisa dies.
D2 – Abstain.
N2 – ILS dies.
D3 – Kratos Aurion (MAFIA) dies.
N3 – Superbird (MAFIA) dies. Negrek dies.
D4 – Zexion (MAFIA) dies.
N4 – No death.
D5 – Wargle dies.
N5 – Altissimo dies.
D6 – Dar (third-party) dies.
N6 – No death.

Now I want you to pay close attention to Lilycolo's post:

Lilycolo said:
ooh, sorry. Here I am!

I'm a distractor. I redirect people's actions to me if they do an action that night, and the person doing the action doesn't know. I can vouch for Dragon. Here's who I targeted:

N0: I targeted Wargle, nothing happened to me.

N1: I targeted Gevasia, it had no effect. There was a different message here so that's something, I guess. Maybe because she died? Idk.

N2: I targeted Dragon. I got a message saying something along the lines of I was protected from getting nightkilled that night.

N3: forgot to send in an action I think, hehe

N4: I targeted Dragon again, got the same message, so I'm p sure Dragon is the cause of that.

Last night: I targeted Alti, got healed.

Dar is looking pretty suspicioso right now, but I want to give him the chance to speak up before jumping to conclusions.
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By night four, three mafia members had already died. Whoever was left at that point must have had the mafia killing power as well as any additional powers they had.

On night four, Lilycolo redirected Dragon's actions so that they would target Lilycolo.

What else happened on night four? No one died.

If my theory is true, and Dragon is a mafia healer, then this is exactly as is expected. Dragon would try to heal and kill Lilycolo at the same time, and her actions would cancel each other out. Thus, there would be no deaths for that night.

How is that for evidence?
 
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Vipera Magnifica said:
On night four, Lilycolo redirected Dragon's actions so that they would target Lilycolo.

What else happened on night four? No one died.

If my theory is true, and Dragon is a mafia healer, then this is exactly as is expected. Dragon would try to heal and kill Lilycolo at the same time, and her actions would cancel each other out. Thus, there would be no deaths for that night.

How is that for evidence?
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Nice theory, but I think it'd be a bit OP for someone to both heal and kill in one night. How common is it for someone to be able to do two night actions in one phase..?
 
Re: Elite Four Choice Pokémafia - Game Thread

Lately, Indigo Plateau Elite Four member Koga had been more of a mystery man than ever. In that one fatidic day, he shed light upon some of his action, claiming authorhood for them but only clarifying his motives so much. A little theft here, a little knockout there, a little slight moving of furniture just to make somebody lose their shit and not understand why -- he had been quite busy in the dark, ninja grandmaster that he is.

When he finally spoke of some of his deeds, it was only so as to contextualize his growing suspicions that Drasna was involved with the conspiracy and behind the most recent among the murders. However, the Dragon-type specialist resisted his accusations well, and they argued mostly to a stalemate, and then to a Pokémon battle. Crobat and Dragalge clashed their poison appendages against one another...

... And then Champion Cynthia got tired of their shit, wiped the floor on both with Garchomp, and wrapped it up with a Dragon Rush to remember -- although Koga's now finely mashed brains were no longer up to that specific task. His sheninjagans had come to an end, and it's up to each survivor to determine for themselves whether that's news about as good as actually catching the culprit in their midst.

Vipera Magnifica, the Koga, is dead. He was innocent.

72 hours for night actions.
 
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If the committee thought that bizarre situations had died with Koga, they were in for a complete shock.

Panic struck as Drasna wouldn't show up for the daily midday meeting. The way things had gone so far, that could have been anything, even if it was a possibility like as any that she'd just gotten too engrossed in a book about mythology or dozed off and failed to notice the hour. Hesitant, Lance, Cynthia, Drake and Iris approached her lodging room, gently rapping on the door. No response.

Growing impatient, Iris announced that she was just going to come right in, grabbing and turning the doorknob before her elders could object as they would. And just as the released the door's mechanism, she was flung away as it swung open violently, a dense mass of fluff erupting from within as if to evoke the tearing of a stuffed toy's felt.

The survivors desperatly scrambled to dig through the cotton, hoping that Drasna would be somewhere in there and that they'd actually be able to find her. Fortunately, they'd managed to happen across a cramped alcove in the core of the mess. There, the Dragon-type specialist lay asleep, nestled with a completely shorn Altaria. No matter what the fully awake trainers tried, however, she just wouldn't spring awake.

Later, a thin trail of cotton was discovered leading outside the room, providing damning evidence that the slumber of the Kalos Elite Four emissary was a result of a deliberate action. Unfortunately, the trail tapered off before it could point to anyone... Once again, the remaining conspirator slipped away, and another paid the ultimate price for it. The ultimate price being wakefulness, of course.

Dragon, the Drasna, is dead. She was innocent.

72 hours for discussion.
 
Re: Elite Four Choice Pokémafia - Game Thread

Huh.

Well. In that case it seems clear that the last mafia is Zero Moment, and we are idiots because The Thing is by no means a guaranteed innocent role - if anything it's more useful for the mafia to have. I'm guessing doing The Thing on Kratos and ZM voting against them was some sort of a convoluted ploy to make ZM look innocent, then? Or something.

(Unless Dazel and/or Lilycolo have changed alignments since Wargle cleared them, or they're a godfather or whatever, and then I will kick myself forever.)

I realize I probably seem pretty suspicious too at this point. By the very nature of my claim there's no way to verify it (except killing me), and I was wrong about VM, and I'm sorry about that (although otherwise I'd just have supported getting Dragon killed and we'd probably all be rallying to kill VM today after which the mafia would quite possibly win, so maybe it was for the best). But I'm really, honestly, seriously not mafia.

Assuming there's one mafia, and all that one mafia can do is kill one person, and that MF has the last dead player cast a tiebreaker vote, we should be able to make it even if you lynch me, but obviously I'd rather we didn't have to risk it.
 
Re: Elite Four Choice Pokémafia - Game Thread

I inherited The Thing from DarkAura, who was innocent. As I have stated, numerous times.
Since both Dazel and Lilycolo are confirmed innocent by Wargle, Butterfree is the last one standing.
 
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I know you've stated that, but we only have your word for you ever having been backup of any kind; that doesn't prove anything at all.

Although, honestly, I wouldn't be that surprised if MF made up a mafia role that can inherit innocent powers, just to mess with people.
 
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Then how do you resolve cases of A and B being the only two players alive and voting for each other?
 
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For usual ties that last beyond the time extensions, I resolve them randomly. I vaguely recall at some point trying to think of a different thing to do in the specific case of the last two players alive voting for each other, but that'll most likely also be resolved randomly.
 
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Although it should also be mentioned that, if the last two players alive are one innocent and one mafioso, then the mafioso wins before the poll begins, since the usual win condition for mafiosi in my games is simply having mafiosi compose 50% of the current living player list.
 
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Well. In that case, we definitely want to get this right.
 
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Guys? You should probably be voting here?
 
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I know I'm innocent, and I can assume Lilycolo is as a result; I'm not sure about either Butterfree or Zero Moment, but either way, given that Lilycolo is innocent, if whoever is lynched tonight dies and is confirmed Innocent, then the worst that can happen is a random win. At the moment I guess I'll vote for Zero Moment, because why not.
 
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