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Senate passes Health Care bill

Shiny Grimer

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Now the House and Senate need to edit both their versions and send it off to Obama.

I am disappointed, Congress. Why? :( Stupid America!

Basically, what this bill does is make it so you have to buy insurance. If you don't, then it will fine you. If you don't pay the fine, you go to jail for tax evasion. There's something about "tougher regulations" on insurance companies as well as "cutting the waste from Medicare" to pay for the bill.
 
I honestly don't get why the US finds it so hard to let go of their health insurance bigotry. Surely having equal and accessible healthcare for all appeals to you? Instead of making a business out of people's lives?
 
this is a very good bill don't complain, US healthcare is awful
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But nothing changed. All that we got was "tougher regulation" (??), "money from waste Medicare programs" (??), and individual mandates (which kind of screw poor people over, even with gov't subsidies). US health care is still kind of the same.

"It's just like socialism! Who are you to take MY money away and give it to some welfare queen? Besides, universal health care costs too much! Look at Canada/UK, they have to wait three months for an important heart surgery!*"

*Nobody ever provides any sources for this.
 
Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the biparisans. Fuck the moderates.

But most of all, fuck the Democrats for letting it happen.
 
But nothing changed. All that we got was "tougher regulation" (??), "money from waste Medicare programs" (??), and individual mandates (which kind of screw poor people over, even with gov't subsidies). US health care is still kind of the same.
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also 30 million people who couldn't afford health insurance getting it.

I'm sorry, but no universal health insurance -> universal health insurance is reform. It is certainly not as good as it could have been (fuck you Lieberman and also whoever thought up the goddamn filibuster), but this is a large step. Don't ignore that out of bitterness.
 
also 30 million people who couldn't afford health insurance getting it.
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Being forced to get it, even if they can't pay for it.

It's cool that insurance companies can't turn away people with pre-existing conditions, but nothing's stopping them from giving those people exuberant rates.

I'm just hoping that this bill will be the start of smaller steps towards more health care reform. Also, screw you Lieberman.
 
as I understand it, people who can't afford it will be given money to pay for it. if you don't get healthcare, then ... you're fined or something? idr
 
Dezzuu said:
as I understand it, people who can't afford it will be given money to pay for it.
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They'll be given a subsidy. Which does not necessarily cover their expensives.

if you don't get healthcare, then ... you're fined or something? idr[/QUOTE]

You're fined.
If you don't pay the fine, you go to jail for tax evasion.
 
opaltiger said:
sources? what sources!
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Older site, but it does say what the plan is, which pretty much hasn't changed.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...nalty-lead-prison-congressional-analysts-say/

But the legislation includes an individual mandate penalty that could go as high as $1,900. Thomas Barthold, chief of staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation, told senators that the IRS could take legal action against those who fail to pay the mandate penalty.

In a handwritten note to Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., Barthold said violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty.
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Baucus is also the senator here in Montana... and I hate him. D: He needs to be kicked out of the state.
 
opaltiger said:
sources? what sources!
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I'm sorry, that was for the House bill.

That mandate requires people to have health insurance, unless they are below a certain income threshold ($9,350 for singles, $18,700 for couples in 2009). Those who don’t get coverage will be subject to a tax of 2.5 percent of their adjusted income beyond that threshold, up to the cost of the average national premium.

The letter from the JCT includes a list of civil and criminal penalties. They’re penalties for refusing to pay the resulting tax. Barthold’s letter says:

Barthold letter, Nov. 5: Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
Section 7203 - misdemeanor wilful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
Section 7201 - felony wilful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.
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Here's my source.

For the Senate bill...
the Senate measure would allow the government to collect the tax by deducting it from any IRS tax-refund checks or other government payments.
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Better than I thought it would be.
 
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