Religion

[Sunflower]

I'd still like an answer to how gay marriage is against Christianity when Jesus said nothing about it and the silly Old Testament rules don't apply anymore.

[GameFreakerZero]

Originally Posted by Sir Lucario

We aren't disallowing anyone's freedom. Everyone has the right to marry one of the opposite sex. If they choose to be gay, then one of the drawbacks is that they can't marry one of the same sex.

Hey, could you do a test for me quickly? Could you look at an attractive guy quickly and choose to get an erection over him?

If you're unable to do this, you have proved yourself wrong. If you can, well good for you but most people can't do this. You don't just wake up and say, "what a wonderful day to be gay!" You can't choose to be gay and if you're going to make a claim like that, you sure as hell better be ready to back it up.

I think it's the other way around. Marriage is a religious ceremony. A civil union is more of a legal ceremony.

Then why are atheists allowed to get married?
And what about religious homosexuals?

Most of Europe already allows gay marriage/civil union, so it's kind of redundant to talk about it as it applies to them. Look at the sidebar here.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in604084.shtml

Hur hur yeah I know I live in a country there T_T
That doesn't take away the fact that the discriminative label of "civil union" exists, and the fact there are a lot of people here who're still complete homophobes.

Originally Posted by Sir Lucario

I'm not. A ban on gay marriage doesn't force anyone to believe in any religion.

No, but it infringes other people's freedom of choice, which is the same thing that means you're allowed to believe in whatever the hell god you want.

They have the same marriage rights as I do. They want different ones.

No, they want to give everyone better, and freer, marriage rights.

[Sir Lucario]

Originally Posted by Skymin

I'd still like an answer to how gay marriage is against Christianity when Jesus said nothing about it and the silly Old Testament rules don't apply anymore.

Matthew 19:4-6

4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

[Tarvos]

context to be interpreted in?

also I assume this is all metaphoric because lol "one flesh"

And also the argument of "since when is God the authority and why should we take him to be the authority"

[Sunflower]

Umm...that's talking about divorce, not gays.

[Sir Lucario]

Originally Posted by Watershed

And also the argument of "since when is God the authority and why should we take him to be the authority"

Because he asked me for the verse(s)? Pay attention.

Originally Posted by Skymin

Umm...that's talking about divorce, not gays.

I'm pretty sure that when it says "that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female", it's not talking about divorce.

[Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Sir Lucario

Because he asked me for the verse(s)? Pay attention.



I'm pretty sure that when it says "that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female", it's not talking about divorce.

But the bible makes mention to it all the time. Nothing else in this verse suggests that it's in the context of gay marriage, and if that's really what it means, it's terribly vague, way too vague to justify allowing it to infringe on the civil rights of others.

MUCH LIKE THE REST OF THE BIBLE AMIRITE

[Tarvos]

Originally Posted by Sir Lucario

Because he asked me for the verse(s)? Pay attention.

no that argument pertains to the actual quote

the argument made by your quote is pretty much irrelevant if you don't set store by what dear God says

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

jesus hung out with twelve dudes like all day and never got married that's pretty gay

[Music Dragon]

Originally Posted by Vladimir Putin's LJ

jesus hung out with twelve dudes like all day and never got married that's pretty gay

Yes, he did. Read The Da Vinci Code. It says right there.

[Tarvos]

it's correct because it's in a book right

also MD let's hold a wedding ceremony in a church (of the Fisk maybe?) it will piss Sir Lucario off

[Flora]

Originally Posted by Skymin

I'd still like an answer to how gay marriage is against Christianity when Jesus said nothing about it and the silly Old Testament rules don't apply anymore.

Because apparently the city of Sodom died because they were *gasp* homosexuals. (Thus, our word sodomy)

Honestly, I'm Catholic, but I don't think we can just say "You can't get married to another guy/girl because WE SAID SO/ the Bible says you'll burn in hell."

[voltianqueen]

They have the same marriage rights as I do. They want different ones.

Then let em have it. After all, America's supposed to be the land of the free, but without equal rights and choice for everyone, regardless of religion and whatnot, we can't really call ourselves that. Otherwise it'd be...hypocritical, I suppose the word is.

I don't think religion has a place in the law.

[Ribby]

I have nothing against religion, but in my own opinion I don't really think it is all that great. I think that, the world would be a more peaceful place without religion. There wouldn't be as many arguments over beliefs and such.

[opaltiger]

Originally Posted by Sir Lucario

I'm sorry, but it's been voted on, and shot down. I shouldn't be expected to change my beliefs when voting.

If California had banned interracial marriage, would you say the same thing? Especially when the Supreme Court had deemed the ban unconstitutional.

Because it's been voted down? Everyone should have the right to vote according to their personal values, including Christians.

Not when those values violate others' rights.

We aren't disallowing anyone's freedom. Everyone has the right to marry one of the opposite sex. If they choose to be gay, then one of the drawbacks is that they can't marry one of the same sex.

This is complete bullshit. You are denying a group of people a right which they want to have. How is this not discrimination? Analogy time! Say marriage is only legal between people of the same race. "Oh," say the supporters. "Everyone has the right to marry someone of their race, so everyone is equal!"

[Sir Lucario]

Not when those values violate others' rights.

Well their values violate MY rights. Double Standard!

This is complete bullshit. You are denying a group of people a right which they want to have. How is this not discrimination? Analogy time! Say marriage is only legal between people of the same race. "Oh," say the supporters. "Everyone has the right to marry someone of their race, so everyone is equal!"

Homosexuality is behavior and should NOT be treated like race.

“There is no research supporting a genetic basis of homosexuality. [It] has been discredited by Scientific America… They’re desperate to find the biological causes. There are none.” – Dr. Richard Fitzgibbons, Philidelphia

[Zephyrous Castform]

Originally Posted by Sir Lucario

Homosexuality is behavior and should NOT be treated like race.

“There is no research supporting a genetic basis of homosexuality. [It] has been discredited by Scientific America… They’re desperate to find the biological causes. There are none.” – Dr. Richard Fitzgibbons, Philidelphia

Which is why opal called it an analogy.

[Valor]

Originally Posted by Sir Lucario

Well their values violate MY rights. Double Standard!

How? How does whatever two gays do in bed affect you? How the fuck would it affect you?

Homosexuality is behavior and should NOT be treated like race.

“There is no research supporting a genetic basis of homosexuality. [It] has been discredited by Scientific America… They’re desperate to find the biological causes. There are none.” – Dr. Richard Fitzgibbons, Philidelphia

ITT: Taking things too literally and stating they're unrelated to win a debate.

Fail more.

[Tarvos]

Well their values violate MY rights. Double Standard!

how does gay marriage stop you from marrying

[opaltiger]

Originally Posted by Sir Lucario

Well their values violate MY rights. Double Standard!

How? Why the hell should something two complete strangers do affect you in the slightest?

Homosexuality is behavior and should NOT be treated like race.

Why? It is no different from gender, race, religion, or any of multiple other categories we group people into.

“There is no research supporting a genetic basis of homosexuality. [It] has been discredited by Scientific America… They’re desperate to find the biological causes. There are none.” – Dr. Richard Fitzgibbons, Philidelphia

I could come up with any number of quotes saying the opposite. Yes, opinion is divided on the issue: what is certain is that it isn't a choice.