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Banning Books

the manga store that i usually go to (they know me by name) wouldn't let me buy something that was 16+. the lady was like "bring someone else who is that old with you and i'll let you buy it" so i asked "what does that solve? i'll still get to read it in the end so why does it matter who buys it?" and she told me to either get something else or leave.

although i bought almost all the death note series with no problem.
 
Spaekle Oddberry said:
Speaking of which, the way Viz rates their manga is really ridiculous. I really don't think Reborn, Death Note, and Angel Sanctuary should all have the same rating.
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... but nobody dies in Reborn! People get eaten by sharks or exploded or impaled in the throat onscreen or die in backstories and they're STILL OKAY. It's even a plot point occasionally. It's bloody in the Varia and Future arcs but it's still... shounen.


... isn't Angel Sanctuary the series with more incest and rape than you can shake a severed wing at
 
I think the book banning should be in levels.

Like, sexual and adult books shouldn't be allowed in middle and elementary schools, but I don't think that banning books is all that necessary. Banning books because of sexual references or racial slurs kind of creates an entire era of ignorance, if you ask me. Children will here words on TV, not have read a book, where the word could have used and explained better, and go out into the world simply repeating what they heard on Family Guy or The Office.
 
surskitty said:
... but nobody dies in Reborn! People get eaten by sharks or exploded or impaled in the throat onscreen or die in backstories and they're STILL OKAY. It's even a plot point occasionally. It's bloody in the Varia and Future arcs but it's still... shounen.
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The only things I can see it getting rated 16+ for are Gokudera being a teenage smoker and possibly 'glorifying the mafia' or something if Viz is really silly.

...oh, hey, the one volume I bought has a little descriptor box that says the rating is for "alcohol and tobacco use and graphic, realistic violence". Flipping through it, I guess there are one or two panels that are pretty bloody, but what qualifies as "realistic violence"? Blowing microwaves out of a clarinet at people and causing massive bodily harm with a yo-yo?

I really don't see how Reborn is any worse than Yu Yu Hakusho, which is 13+.

... isn't Angel Sanctuary the series with more incest and rape than you can shake a severed wing at
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Yeah. It's one of those things where you get the feeling that it's going out of its way to be as controversial as possible. Definitely worse than the other two I mentioned, in any event.

EDIT: About having pornographic material in schools - I don't see any reason to say that schools ABSOLUTELY CANNOT HAVE THESE THINGS, but I don't see why schools would have them either. There's not much in porn that's of educational value, even for sex ed, and I can't imagine having porn magazines sitting on the magazine rack in the school library. Those things are usually enjoyed better in private, and I think if anything they'd just be a distraction in school. They'd probably get stolen fast, too. :p
 
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Yenaa said:
Children of such young ages shouldn't be subjected to adult literature. :L It's just immoral if you ask me.
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You just rephrased your original position without adding any reasoning.

It's like letting five year-olds watch porn.
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Why shouldn't we let five-year-olds watch porn?

Spaekle Oddberry said:
There's not much in porn that's of educational value
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School libraries stock all kinds of material of questionable educational value (think Twilight). It encourages children to read.
 
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We don't let children fuck either because they're not mentally equipped to cope with it jesus christ stop being intentionally obtuse.
 
Spaekle Oddberry said:
The only things I can see it getting rated 16+ for are Gokudera being a teenage smoker and possibly 'glorifying the mafia' or something if Viz is really silly.

...oh, hey, the one volume I bought has a little descriptor box that says the rating is for "alcohol and tobacco use and graphic, realistic violence". Flipping through it, I guess there are one or two panels that are pretty bloody, but what qualifies as "realistic violence"? Blowing microwaves out of a clarinet at people and causing massive bodily harm with a yo-yo?

I really don't see how Reborn is any worse than Yu Yu Hakusho, which is 13+.
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If Viz wasn't the giant failboat it is, then maybe Gokudera'd (and later, Squalo and Xanxus) get rated up for swearing constantly but ... this is Reborn! and this is the Viz translation and it is so completely horrible on every level. Everrrry level.

There's realistic violence periodically, but pretty much only in Varia arc and even there they switch to AND NOW THEY SHOOT LASERS AT EACH OTHER eventually. By the current arc, there is a lot of violence and everyone bleeds profusely but there is nothing realistic about Pokemon powered by laser power ranger rings.


Maybe Reborn!'s rated up because Tsuna usually gets super powers from Reborn shooting him in the head. Reborn's guns certainly show up a lot (... until they mostly forget about Reborn except for as the exposition guy) and Yamamoto has a sword. And Gokudera blows stuff up a lot but his dynamite is always useless this are fact
 
Vladimir Putin's LJ said:
We don't let children fuck either because they're not mentally equipped to cope with it
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lol, pop psychology.

"Results supported the hypotheses that positively evaluated early sexual experiences would be associated with greater erotophilia, more acceptance of various sexual behaviors for self and others, and greater sexual satisfaction."
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a904613806~db=all

"30% of those who had a sexual experience with a peer before the age of 13 assessed the activity as having had a positive effect on them as an adult, 66% thought it had no positive or negative effects, and 4% reported a negative effect. Except one, all of the subjects who reported a negative effect were involved in coercive activities."
http://www.springerlink.com/content/42p5mtutqed97qlc/
 
I think children of a certian age (old enough to appreciate good literature that may have questionable or mature themes) should be able to read adult books, but only if they have literary value an aren't extremely explicit.
 
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Creasy said:
You're aware that pornography can be written?
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Okay, I'll give you that. However, there's still not much of a reason for schools to offer porn to kids. The entire point is to get you off, and the only thing I could see it doing is giving kids more incentive to jerk off in the bathroom and have little sex-giggling circles during lunch.

I think a more reasonable debate would be whether or not kids should be allowed to bring pornographic material to school from home. In that case, I don't think there's too much of an issue as long as it's not being a distraction. The only thing is it's more likely to create a distraction than, say, Twilight or a comic book.
 
Kids need all the books they can get their hands on. I don't care if it contains written infromation on how to build an atomic bomb or a threesome, limiting the freedom of expression is putting a plug on the progression of society. These kids don't need to learn how to fill in bubble sheets for standardized tests; they need to learn new ideas, so they can become a leader in society.
 
Doesn't distributing porn in school give the message that sex is acceptable in a school environment? I mean, kids under twelve haven't likely had many other sexual experiences, other than I guess masturbation, right? Generally boys don't start puberty until a few years later, and girls start around twelve-fourteen in most cases. Biologically, kids this age aren't exactly equipped for sex, and what good will distributing porn do?
We're already in the age of the internet, and kids can access porn on the net fairly easily. Idk I don't really think that kids thinking that it's a good idea to have sex at twelve is the best idea, and I don't see how it's educationally appropriate, either. Aren't we trying to avoid the teen pregnancy problem? >.>

I mean at our highschool we had a few books with sexually explicit material in them, but they weren't pornagraphic books; the sex was to serve the plot in some way. Porn is already 16-18+ to purchase anyway, isn't it?
 
stop trying to turn the world into a blank planet


the manga store that i usually go to (they know me by name) wouldn't let me buy something that was 16+. the lady was like "bring someone else who is that old with you and i'll let you buy it" so i asked "what does that solve? i'll still get to read it in the end so why does it matter who buys it?" and she told me to either get something else or leave.
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They probably get fined if they get caught doing it so they don't
 
Dewgong said:
the manga store that i usually go to (they know me by name) wouldn't let me buy something that was 16+. the lady was like "bring someone else who is that old with you and i'll let you buy it" so i asked "what does that solve? i'll still get to read it in the end so why does it matter who buys it?" and she told me to either get something else or leave.

although i bought almost all the death note series with no problem.
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That's different. Private institutions can do as they will, because they are under little regulation by the federal government. However, a public school or library cannot censor books, since that violates the freedom of speech present in many human rights laws around the world.
 
I think books shouldn't be banned. Because this is America. It's a country that has freedom of speech. And banning books would be like denying freedom of speech. Kids need to read all the books that they get their hands on. This includes porn.
 
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