US Department of Justice to defend DOMA

[opaltiger]

Link.

Fuck you, Obama. Fuck you.

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

Re: US Department of Justive to defend DOMA

Oh jesus fucking christ
I thought we finally had a sensible man at the reins. But no, America is well and truly fucking unsalvageable.
Fuck this 'lgbt history' month bullshit. Meaningless pandering to the masses just to stab us in the back with this?
I was enjoying his presidency so-far. Alright, a few crap decisions, at least he hasn't one anything against a large part of his vote-whoops!

Fuck America forever lalala

 

[Zhorken]

Well, he does have something of a point, but I'd go the other way with it: marriage should be defined on a federal level and just not be done differently between states. And should be defined pro-gaily, of course.

EDIT: and he doesn't seem to have addressed the second part of DOMA...? wtf

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

Once you compare gay marriage to paedophilia any point you may make is invalidated because you're automatically a lying scumsucker.

 

[opaltiger]

The most absurd thing? A while ago Dick Cheney came out in (admittedly very tentative) support of some sort of marriage equality.

Or, no, wait, the absurd thing is that Obama is apparently still all for the legislature overturning DOMA. Because all these lovely arguments would cease to exist as long as it wasn't the judges deciding (can't get accusations of activist judges, after all, never mind that one of the roles of the judiciary is to protect minorities).

 

[Zhorken]

Because all these lovely arguments would cease to exist as long as it wasn't the judges deciding (can't get accusations of activist judges, after all, never mind that one of the roles of the judiciary is to protect minorities).

Yeah, people seem to misinterpret neutrality and assume it implies some sort of centrism. :V

 

[spaekle]

While this does make me lose respect for Obama, I'm not really surprised. He's a politician, and this is just something politicians do.

Abraham Lincoln maintained that the abolition of slavery would be unconstitutional for a lot of his presidency, and, well, look what happened. I have no idea what Obama really wants to happen here, but I'm hoping it's a similar deal. :(

 

[opaltiger]

While this does make me lose respect for Obama, I'm not really surprised. He's a politician, and this is just something politicians do.

Lyndon B. Johnson gave up the South for Democrats, possibly giving up the Presidency for the next twenty years, in order to push for racial equality.

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

Lyndon B. Johnson: Not a Coward.

I mean I was already pretty pissed off at him for passing everything through the Republicans first (hey, you didn't listen to us until we took over, we don't owe you shit. Sadly, most high-profile Democrats don't see it this way) but now he's just edging along further to the right.

I love how Republicans still call him a Socialist. Honey, the day America gets a Socialist President is the day the Vatican elects a gay Pope.

 

[spaekle]

It'd be great if Obama were like Lyndon B. Johnson, but apparently he isn't. :(

 

[goldenquagsire]

I hope that Mr. Obama notices the irony of a mixed-race person opposing marriage rights for gays. And that he feels ashamed with himself.

I suppose he can still do good, but this is a major cock-up.

 

[Minish]

Likewise, DOMA does not discriminate, or permit the States to discriminate, on the basis of a suspect classification; indeed, the Ninth Circuit has held that sexual orientation is not a suspect classification.

So... basically it's saying that it's okay to discriminate because they don't consider it discrimination?

@_@ *hopes she's just being slow and it's not THIS bad*

 

[Vladimir Putin's LJ]

So... basically it's saying that it's okay to discriminate because they don't consider it discrimination?

yeah that's basically it

 

[Exdeath]

Wow.

I've read through the article, and the most ridiculous thing-to me-is that they consider DOMA constitutional because it saves money. I mean, really:

To deny federal recognition to same-sex marriages will thus preserve scarce government resources, surely a legitimate government purpose.

 

[J.T.]

To deny federal recognition to same-sex marriages will thus preserve scarce government resources, surely a legitimate government purpose.

Because keeping America the "land of the free" just costs too much money nowadays.

Fucking a.

 

[Harlequin]

fucking ridiculous

jesus fucking

I mean

ugh.

 

[Butterfree]

...what the hell.

The mind boggles.

...I'm actually having a lot of difficulty believing he actually thinks that. He doesn't seem like the type. Plus all the "white or black, male or female, gay or straight" from his victory speech. Of course, that might have been the publicity stunt.

 

[Jolty]

I love how Republicans still call him a Socialist. Honey, the day America gets a Socialist President is the day the Vatican elects a gay Pope.

hahaha


also, I felt sick reading that
what the fuck

 

[H-land]

It'd be great if Obama were like Lyndon B. Johnson, but apparently he isn't. :(

What, you want Obama's healthcare reforms to get broken because of the baby boomers, too? Are you saying that American needs more affirmative action in order to fight poverty? Do you want him to start a(nother) highly unpopular war overseas that only Nixon will have the power to stop?

Obama may not be making the best choices right now, but Johnson wasn't that great of a president. I'd rather say that "It'd be great if Obama were like Abraham Lincoln"- since Lincoln began, but then managed to end a war that really mattered to average Americans, freed (quite nearly all of) the slaves, had a penchant for honesty, supported the construction of the first transcontinental railroad, and though he was assassinated, he managed to get his face carved into a mountain and printed on money. Now that's a legacy to aim to beat. Not creating the cabinet position of Department of Transportation.

Really, I don't know what to make of this. Yes, it is good to keep our national expenditures low. Yes, allowing gay couples to marry and treating them as straight couples are treated would cost money. But I'm not sure that really, finances are that good of a reason to deny gay couples marriage rights.

Some part of me is still just hoping that marriage'll somehow soon become politically passé and that civil unions'll be required for any two peoples to become recognized as a couple, though. Leave marriages a religious affair, yaknow?

 

[spaekle]

What, you want Obama's healthcare reforms to get broken because of the baby boomers, too? Are you saying that American needs more affirmative action in order to fight poverty? Do you want him to start a(nother) highly unpopular war overseas that only Nixon will have the power to stop?

I was only saying that it'd be great if he were like LBJ in the sense that he'd care so much about civil rights that he'd possibly throw away his chance at re-election for them. Should have made that clearer. But, yeah, as a president overall he was just kind of meh, and from what I've read of him as a person he was kind of an asshole.