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I notice that I appear more stereotypically gay, and even my voice. I hate it. *strangles self in attempt to change his voice*

Gah! That doesn't work...
 
Remember the friend I wanted to call?

Today I picked up the phone. I dialled the number I've had memorized for the past nine years. And I found out that she no longer lives there.

After longing to throw the phone out the window and scream, but managing to resist, I'm preparing to start tracking her down. I know which school she goes to, I think she still lives in my local area, so I'm going to find her. No matter what it takes, I'll find her.

~GG~

Ouch. Hope you can find her soon, and good luck on it.
 
Hey guys.
So. Do you want to hear a dumb post filled with shitty introspection and angst, with a possible hint of offensiveness?
Awesome.

I think I want to be a boy. Let's hear what lead to this probably retarded conclusion.
I feel kind of queasy typing this. Back when I was little, from six to nine years old, I used to play Families or Princess and Prince with other girls in my class. Since I was always taller and I had a pretty deep voice for a little girl I always played the male role, and I liked it. I don’t now why, it felt right being the guy. Even though my mum dressed me up in, well, dresses, I found them pretty but ignored the fact that I had them on.
I always get my hair cut when I go to Portugal, a couple of inches, always kept it below the shoulders. Recently though, I’ve wanted to cut it short, not skinhead or anything, sort of like Verne, I think.
Still on the ‘WHEN I WAS younger’ topic, I was getting my hair cut and when my aunt asked what length I wanted it, I just told her to cut it short. I don’t know why, I just felt like it’d suit me and when she was done I felt it looked good and I liked it.
When my mum showed up she had a fit and didn’t take pictures until my hair was around the length it was before.

When I first started getting boobs, I was pretty annoyed. I didn’t like them. They hurt when I tried to run and it just felt strange, especially when my mum told me to get a bra. I flat out refused at first, even though I knew it’d be more convenient, I just didn’t like the thought. Same thing when I first got my period, though I didn’t offer any resistance to a pad since it would’ve been really messy otherwise. I always thought boys had it easy, they didn’t have periods and they could take off their shirts when it was hot. I wished I could take off my shirt. I wished I didn’t have boobs, or periods.

I don’t remember anything special from that time, so skipping ahead two or three years. When I read about how girls and boys worked, I was just embarrassed and didn’t think about it much. But a bit after, I started to get really envious. I wanted a boy part too. After I grew up and discovered ~the joys of porn~, I wanted it more. For a bit I considered the thought that I might be bi or a lesbian or something, especially since I’m so interested in LGBT matters, but I dismissed that thought pretty quickly. I definitely like boys, but I can’t picture wanting sex with one as a girl, like. The whole ‘putting things into my vajayjay’ thing seems a bit weird, but only if I apply it to myself.

Aaaaand once I was retarded enough to cry like a bitch about not being a guy. /dumb. I don’t mind wearing skirts or dresses too much, but my mum really has to force me into it, and then I feel dumb. I hate exposing my body and wear clothes that cover everything except my face, neck and arms. The idea of wearing stuff that shows off my cleavage makes me reel, and when a boy in my class once told me ‘you should’ve been born a guy’, I thought he was right.
I wish the clothes I like would fit right.
When someone once mistook me for a boy, I felt I should’ve been mad, but instead I was pretty comfortable with it.

Haha, I nearly cried like three times while writing this I suck. It probably isn’t anything anyway, I must have regular Penis Envy or it’s the hormones or something, I don’t know.
Maybe it isn’t.

I’m pretty fucking confused. And now I’m crying.

Sorry if I offended the real transsexual people, I’m a dumbass.

And no, for once in my life, I'm not trolling.
 
Wow. I'm not sure how to respond to that, but what you said was so awesome and brave and things, I'm gonna try anyway.

I'm with you on the hating developing boobs/period thing. I remember hating everything about puberty; loads of my female friends were happy that they were becoming teenagers, but everything about it made me feel ill and uncomfortable (in the "I don't ever want to talk about this with anyone" way, not the "ow, cramps" way). For me, though, I think it was a major unwillingness to grow up. Growing up meant responsibility and change; two things that I still don't cope with very well.
I also managed to connect everything back to sex (especially periods, which I was disgusted with myself for having), which at the time absolutely terrified me (to be honest, het sex still does).

I also feel very uncomfortable wearing feminine clothes, especially if it means showing a lot of skin, but again it's probably more to do with hating gender roles and being self-conscious than gender identity.

From your post, I guess you have a lot on your mind that you don't really want to go and talk to people you know IRL about. I know there are some sites with lots about transgenderism, and most sociology books deal with issues of sex and gender (admittedly more from a scientific than personal standpoint), which is handy because you can make up any excuse for a sociology text, but less so for a book "So you think you're a man?" or whatever those self-help books about this are called.

And yes. Like I said, I’m not terribly good at this, but I wanted to say something.

Most of all, good luck with everything.
 
When I first started getting boobs, I was pretty annoyed. I didn’t like them. They hurt when I tried to run and it just felt strange, especially when my mum told me to get a bra. I flat out refused at first, even though I knew it’d be more convenient, I just didn’t like the thought. Same thing when I first got my period, though I didn’t offer any resistance to a pad since it would’ve been really messy otherwise. I always thought boys had it easy, they didn’t have periods and they could take off their shirts when it was hot. I wished I could take off my shirt. I wished I didn’t have boobs, or periods.

This is totally how I felt. A lot of guys say 'I felt sick' or that they totally hated what was going on -- I didn't freak out, but I didn't like it. It was just like there was something separating the body and me.

I don’t mind wearing skirts or dresses too much, but my mum really has to force me into it, and then I feel dumb.

You're going to need to talk to your mom about that, because even if you were totally comfortable with being a girl that's still rude. (Speaking from experience -- my dad would ask me to go to cool things for his company, right, and then I'd find out the catch was that I would have to wear a dress. I never did end up at any of those kick-offs)

Haha, I nearly cried like three times while writing this I suck. It probably isn’t anything anyway, I must have regular Penis Envy or it’s the hormones or something, I don’t know.
Maybe it isn’t.

I’m pretty fucking confused. And now I’m crying.

Sorry if I offended the real transsexual people, I’m a dumbass.

Hormones might make you confused, but I doubt they'd make you cry.

I wish I could say VLADIMIR I NOW PRONOUNCE YOU A TRANSSEXUAL or even better, I now pronounce you just a little hormonal, but I can't do that. The most I can say is it sounds like you're definitely... confused. It sounds to me like you might be trans, but transsexuality is an incredibly personal journey. You have to decide a hell of a lot for yourself, which sucks, because in something like this, the most confused one is you. You're going to have to feel yourself out, so to say, and decide where you're comfortable. Right now the most you might want to do is toss around the idea of being trans, which is ok. Or you might want to dive in and try it out and see it it's what makes you feel good.

This in itself is a huge step. I mean, vocalizing (even over teh interwebz) that you're confused. It's pretty nervewracking. But I'm going to tell you one of the things I was told when I first found some internuts help -- " Don't feel like you have to qualify yourself and out yourself as Trans or say things like 'I'm not really a real guy ...' Yes, you are really a real guy. If you want to come out as Trans, more power to you, but don't feel like you have to..."

Basically if you're going to try this, you're taking it seriously, so treat yourself seriously. Don't say 'I'm not a real' anything. Because you are real, just as real as the next person.




You're lucky that you have a few people here to talk to. You remind me of me, sorta nervous and prompted to insult yourself in case no one else took you seriously, feeling a little like you don't qualify because you didn't do any of the insisting-you're-a-boy-when-you're-like-three things. By all means please keep coming to tcod's lgbt club.

And I'll hook you up with some more links too.

If you've got an lj, or if you're willing to make one -- http://community.livejournal.com/ftm/ these guys are incredible, since they're responsible, smart, but also 'feeling themselves out' and amateur. They will treat you as you should be treated, seriously and politely, and won't do things like tell you you're not a real transsexual (so you're gonna have to stop doing that too if you think you are a real one =P).
http://t-vox.org/index.php?title=Main_Page A link I was given when I came out (ironically on the above lj community). I can't believe I never went there.
http://transfamily.org/ A general trans-support page.

If you go to any large forums (like I go to go gaia) usually they have some form of lgbt club. It's always good to have other people helping too.



Ok, that was long too. But I applaud you for even coming out here since that's sort of a leap in itself. Don't be afraid to continually pester us for help, that's what we're here for. XD I feel like a school counselor or something.

OH ONE MORE THING don't feel obligated to act one way or another, like totally boyish if you are feeling more comfortable that way or girly cute if it so happens that it's just hormones. Just feel as you think is comfortable. Like I said earlier, this experience -- hell, this entire age group -- is a huge self-discovery personal-journey sorta thing.



And crying is ok. Crying is always ok. We all cry.





Especially when I see stupid commercials like this Flawless deodorant crap where the chick can't act. I cry huge tears.
 
I mostly wear clothes that aren't girlish or boyish. Also bras are a bit annoying but not wearing them is more irritating for me cuz my tits are like an AKWARD size, they're small but not so small as they don't cause inconveniences >:|

Btw hugging girls is greaaaat
That's not going to go down very well is it
 
I hope you figure this out, Putin. Verne's advice is great, follow it, srsly.
I'm a member of a Transexual/Transgender forum, everyone there is really supportive and such. If you wanted I could link you to it. :x

Also guys I am dumb and this seems like an appropriate time to ask, what is it called when you don't consider yourself either gender and switch between calling yourself female and male?

Btw hugging girls is greaaaat
That's not going to go down very well is it
what'chu talking 'bout, becca
 
Damn, listen to Verne. That helped me too. :]

The odd thing about the hair issue is I never particularly wanted it cut short until just recently. Now I can't stand it being below my chin, and it's down to my shoulders now and pissing me off. When I was younger I actually liked it long.

I always hated any talk of how the female body worked, pregnancy, et cetera, couldn't stand talking about it happening to me, and just generally got really embarrassed and awkward about the whole thing. It was a subject I avoided altogether. When I actually started thinking about myself having sex, I tended to get pretty "eeeennnhhh" about it, with the whole vagina thing. I never even could work up the balls to stick something up there, because after a while I'd just get disturbed and grossed out. Boobs were annoying and over-sensitive and got in the way too much. I always liked wearing sports bras that made me look flat. I still do, actually. :V

Dresses are just no. No skirts, no really short shorts. I was more or less forced into a skirt about a month ago and came home incredibly emo and pissed off.

My hobbies were mostly gender-neutral things like Pokemon and video games and drawing. I liked things like robots and dinosaurs, too, but my parents often wouldn't buy those things for me because "they were for boys", wtf. When my guy friend's little sister forced us to play house, I'd always be one of the kids so we could still play with our Digimon toys. I was always MetalGreymon and he was always MegaKabuterimon and it was great.

Funny but possibly TMI thing from when I was little; once, when we were all just figuring out what penises and vaginas were, all the neighborhood kids decided to show theirs to each other for some reason. I saw some kid's dick and was like "dude, how'd it get like that? :O" thought it was totally awesome, and thought maybe I could get an operation or something so mine could be like that too. Haha.

But, yeah, there are websites and whatnot with advice for this sort of thing, although there seems to be more for MTFs than FTMs. (Although the former is apparently much more common.) I couldn't find a single "So you think you might be FTM?" quiz, but like five for MTFs. :( I did take one (the COGIATI) kind of backwards just to get an idea, and I scored as a "feminine male" which would equal out to "probable transsexual", which sounds about right. But you can't really let a computer make a decision like this for you.

damn it, my ice cream sandwich is melty now. :(

Edit @ Timmy: There are terms like "genderqueer" and "androgynous" and whatnot, and some people just simply don't want to be confined to a gender at all. I guess it's just a matter of what you see yourself. Eh, I'll wiki it.
 
I liked things like robots and dinosaurs, too

who doesn't like robots and dinosaurs 8DD


Yeah, it's very frustrating that the COGIATI really only works one way. But then, the quizzes can't tell you any, as most can't -- you don't take quizzes purely unless you don't know what the results are, you try to get your 'favorite' answer.

And yeah, genderqueer, androgyne, etc. are what we consider to have no gender/both genders.




Relevantly I ... have done really little work on getting myself more comfortable. I've gotten my hair cut but what I really want is a freaking therapist. But guess who has all the money and power in the family, and who isn't helping me at all! Mom.

Sigh.
 
Edit @ Timmy: There are terms like "genderqueer" and "androgynous" and whatnot, and some people just simply don't want to be confined to a gender at all. I guess it's just a matter of what you see yourself. Eh, I'll wiki it.
And yeah, genderqueer, androgyne, etc. are what we consider to have no gender/both genders.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, it has been bugging me for ages. :x
 
Thanks you guys, that was really nice. I'll check out your links, Verne, you know what you're talking about.

Haha, when I was little I used to pretend to be Spiderman and all my Barbie girls were Amazons who fought against the giant plush animals or the giant plastic Spiderman. Then they had only one Ken and had to fight like Hell for him to be their boyfriend and stuff :B

I have therapist. I asked mum if I could go to one because I wantd to see what it was like. I haven't really talked about this with her before, especially since she once told me that gay people aren't born gay but become gay at like 9 or 10 and then can't ever be changed, but I could talk to her about it a little.

I'll also try to talk my parents into letting me get my hair cut. If it succeeds I'll have short hair in about a month, which would be really cool.
Oh god I just remembered I'm going to have to wear a swimming costume these next three days. It's one of the things that make me feel most uncomfortable. Goddamnit dad why did you choose the beach for our vacation ):<
 
I love having short hair. It's so fun.


And swimsuits? Throw a t-shirt and short over them, swim in those. Just buy a set specifically for swimming. *shrugs*
 
Haha, I only ever had one Barbie (given to me by someone who clearly didn't know me well) and I just chewed her feet off. X3
 
I'll be rejoining this club, yes. (Dannichu, XD)

Hey Strangy, I hope things go well for you. I wish you the best of luck. :D

Um, what else can I say? Well, I am under a bit of pressure here to turn out "straight." Why? My sister. She's bisexual. Mostly likes boys. Used to have a girlfriend, they broke up, now she's back with her exboyfriend. I'm glad they broke up, because now my mom doesn't bitch anymore about how being gay is wrong. But I think she sees my sister as "unstable", as in, she'll go back to girls anytime.

So she's depending on me to "pass on the family genes, because your sister's a screw up". But um, I'm a little whoo, who knows? I don't really know what I am, but there is one thing very certain. IT IS NOT STRAIGHT. I could be bisexual, I could be lesbian, which one, I don't know yet. But I can't just like boys only, I'm sorry, it isn't in me. She doesn't know this, of course, for if she did, you'd be certain she'd say: "You're just confused. It's your sister, isn't it? She turned you over to the gay side. Don't listen to her, she's just crazy."

Only one who knows is my friend, because apparently it's SO obvious. I give her "funny looks" according to her. Looks of lust, she says. I'm unsure of my feelings towards her, I'm afraid I'm just so confused, I always mix up platonic with those feelings.

Oh boy, is she going to be dissapointed. Fortunately, I'm getting a therapist soon (this is a small part of the reason, but there are other reasons that I am getting one. Anxiety issues, mainly.) so maybe they can help me sort things out. I hope.
 
Damn it, I hate pressure from parents to "pass on the family genes" and bullcrap like that. In the end, why does it even matter?

lol, Barbies. I had some Barbies, but I'd play with them for like a day and then not care about them any more. I also had a dollhouse with plastic dolls, but they were mortal enemies with the other plastic dolls from the camper playset and sometimes could fly. And when I was really little, I was fond of pretending to be these flambouyant European men in frilly clothing and with weird names. Younger than that, I was a friendly vampire man who everyone wanted to kill for some reason. Hmm.

Also the spatula from my toy kitchen wanted to kill me. I don't remember why. And I also had a toy grill that things usually ended up dying on. I was an interesting kid.

Edit: I've been very casually trying to hint at what's wrong with me, but it's not really working. No way in hell I'm completely coming out until I'm well out of the house, because my parents are conservative stick-up-their-ass Republicans who don't even approve of interracial marriage.
 
I'm unsure of my feelings towards her, I'm afraid I'm just so confused, I always mix up platonic with those feelings.
Me too, Arylett, me too. I can't tell the difference between platonic/romantic feelings most of the time and it really is quite annoying.

And Strangy, I know everyone's pretty much said this already, but it really was so brave of you to put all that out there, and good luck with figuring stuff out and everything.
 
Arylett said:
So she's depending on me to "pass on the family genes, because your sister's a screw up". But um, I'm a little whoo, who knows?

Oh boy, is she going to be dissapointed.
Spaekle said:
Damn it, I hate pressure from parents to "pass on the family genes" and bullcrap like that. In the end, why does it even matter?

I've been very casually trying to hint at what's wrong with me, but it's not really working. No way in hell I'm completely coming out until I'm well out of the house, because my parents are conservative stick-up-their-ass Republicans who don't even approve of interracial marriage.

God, I don't envy you guys. I remember my mum telling me ages ago that she never expects children from me; I can remember from the earliest age that I have memories that I never wanted children... or a boyfriend/husband X3

The cool thing about growing up with male friends; you climb trees, break bones and beat each other up instead of playing mummies and daddies.
 
I used to play with barbies (and polly pockets, I have a billion of those from when they were literally pocket-sized, itty bitty things). Just as often as I would play with legos and hotwheels, though.

But then, I'm trying to pretend most of my childhood ~never happened~, so.

Also I might just maybe have a therapist! Which is good news.
 
you transpeople are clogging up the thread with ... well it's certainly not with gay. =[ FOR THE RECORD I think I shall have to say this:

note to self: stop having sexual fantasies about a) straight boys, b) straight boys who are your friends and c) straight boys who you are most often around whilst drunk.

I HAVE PROBLEMS but then again you guys have it worse than I do so um have some cookies or something?

[nah, I really do hope everything works out because it kind of sucks that you were born in the sex or whatever. I am happy to say that I like my penis. also dannichu I know why I'm awake this late but why are you?]
 
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