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The Gay (Marriage) Thread

ShiningGlass said:
It should be a non-issue.
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I know right.

Cirrus said:
It's hardly a 'non-issue' when an article's just been posted about a country posing the death penalty for homosexuality. :/

Surely the fact that we want equal rights is enough for it to be an issue? Homophobia affects an awful lot of people on a daily basis -- it might be a non-issue for you, but I'm pretty sure we can all tell why that might be.

Plus, it's human nature to be more interested and involved in something that directly affects you.
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People impose the death penalty for stealing. Humans aren't just misguided towards homosexuals. Remember the sharia? Fuck you, muslim countries. Then again all religious law should be abolished per direct and replaced with secular law. Separation of church and state. Fast.


ShiningGlass said:
I think Altmer's implying that those who spend so much time fighting something as trivial as gay marriage should put their money and energy into fighting for something else.
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Exactly. Their opposition is stupid because you know, you could STOP PEOPLE FROM DYING OF FAMINE INSTEAD OF CARING ABOUT PENIS GOES UP ASS



Vladimir Putin's LJ said:
In this thread in particular because it's th'gay thread
in the rest of the world I guess people like to blow up ultimately insignificant stuff to monstrous porportions?
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aye

Cirrus said:
But for some people, being able to marry isn't all that trivial. It shouldn't just be abandoned because energy could be spent elsewhere.
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Marriage is a fucking paper

real marriage is the ceremony, just merge civil unions and marriages and give them all equal rights, and let everyone that wants a ceremony have a ceremony

problem fucking solved

ShiningGlass said:
You're misreading what I wrote. I said those who oppose it should put their energy into something else.
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Cirrus said:
He said that homophobia is stupid and all, but a non-issue. Not same-sex marriages.
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it is bad but i can think of worse things

like people dying of famine, global warming, etc.

eta: in a really good country, state officials perform all civil unions/marriages regardless of their personal beliefs. They should be required to do this by law and every country should be officially void of religion.
 
I basically have the same opinion as you do, Altmer, but I think it's because we both live in pretty progressive countries where gays aren't really anything special. Of course if there was a choice between, I don't know, every country becoming secular or every country having gay marriage I'd go for the former, but you can't expect every country to do the right thing immediately, surely? It's a long way until most muslim countries get human rights.
 
Watershed said:
it is bad but i can think of worse things

like people dying of famine, global warming, etc.
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why are you caring about how gay people are being treated when we have serious problems to solve?

This is the same argument that's been used against people that work for civil rights (so the death penalty is inhumane and cruel? who cares! there's a genocide in Darfur!) of all kinds. You know, why care about racism/sexism/ablism/etc. when we have worse issues to focus on? I understand prioritizing things but I think gay people being treated inhumanely across the globe is a pretty bad issue.

This thread is the marriage thread because it's easy to track marriage. You can't make a post saying "In Switzerland, I have determined that people now make less demeaning comments about gays!" Marriage is the obvious sign of "victory", so to speak, but this is also the "gay" thread, about the treatment of LGBT people in general.

I agree with you on the whole secular/religious law and the thing about marriage ceremonies. Especially the marriage ceremonies. If only people could see it differently...

Anyway...

AMBIGUOUS NEWS: The first US federal court case to determine whether states are allowed to ban same-sex marriages has opened in San Francisco, California. This is ambiguous because it could turn out to be like 'Brown v. Board of Education' or it could end up bein 'Plessy v. Ferguson' and I have a bad feeling it's going to end up like the latter.
 
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Vladimir Putin's LJ said:
I basically have the same opinion as you do, Altmer, but I think it's because we both live in pretty progressive countries where gays aren't really anything special. Of course if there was a choice between, I don't know, every country becoming secular or every country having gay marriage I'd go for the former, but you can't expect every country to do the right thing immediately, surely? It's a long way until most muslim countries get human rights.
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Failure is not an option
 
Watershed said:
Failure is not an option
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I agree. However, I think it's alright for gay marriage to have its own thread instead of people posting a news topic every other week. That way the faggotry is contained.
I would love to see more human rights progress in the middle east/eastern europe (and I hope to be able to visit some countries and maybe help out if I ever get my political science degree) but it's a depressingly slow process so it's hard to talk about it, whereas everyone's kicking gays into top speed because it's the Current Concern I guess. We could make a thread for other important issues if you'd like.
 
Vladimir Putin's LJ said:
We could make a thread for other important issues if you'd like.
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I wanted to do this! It even had a snappy title: "Current Events". It would be like a place where we post news to get informed or discuss shiz. And interested parties could post their own news, too, so we could have worldwide news. If anyone wants me to make it, I'd be glad~

And yeah, this was made because every two months we get a thread about LGBT people and I thought it'd be better if we stuck it all in one place. At least then, it's easier to follow the progress.

I would love to see more human rights progress in the middle east/eastern europe (and I hope to be able to visit some countries and maybe help out if I ever get my political science degree) but it's a depressingly slow process so it's hard to talk about it
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A teacher of mine is doing this. He's leaving our class for like, a year to go help with some development project in India, IIRC.
 
Watershed said:
i think czech republic is improving a lot with regards to gay rights iirc
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Go, Czech Republic! Polka your way to a brighter tomorrow or something.

COOL NEWS: Because of the shitstorm caused by the idea of executing gay people and because a whole bunch of other countries are bothered by this, President of Uganda is distancing himself from the anti-gay bill. Maybe there's hope for Uganda's gay population... somehow, someway.

I'm starting to have hope for 2010. Perhaps there is a way to convince people that it's ok to let other people like it up the ass and be married at the same time.
 
I heard there was a gay marriage ceremony in China. Or at least, I read it in the newspaper. It wasn't official or anything, though.
 
I see how it can be important to decide what is important and gets priority, but, ugh, don't we also have to focus on people being treated equally (like, well, they should be). It is pretty perspicuous that gays deserve the same rights as others. And in the case of equal civil unions, well, separate is never equal. I don't see why some "less important" issues should be completely forgotten.
 
They shouldn't be forgotten if you live in Uganda. But they are not that important when you live in Spain, France or Germany because all it would take is a proper proposal to get marriage through in about 3 seconds (except spain. they obvi have it already, which is quite an achievement considering spain is pretty catholic)

And in my country we already have it, so err, we might as well do something useful now.
 
Yeah in Portugal we'll get it soonish too, so I can get married to whoever I want in all of my home countries! :v hooray
Well, the President still has to sign the bill, and there's some worry that he'll say he can't sign it because it's discriminatory (since adoption hasn't passed). People say the Socialists are awaiting this and will use the opportunity to pass adoption at the same time but I don't buy it since they were the ones who rejected the law in the first place so uh
Either if it passes it'll be fun when the Pope comes to visit in April.

I think Spain and Portugal have people with pretty similar mindsets. We're Catholic, but not Polish-Catholic, just keeping-up-appearances-Catholic :v everyone in my village is like that. They'll go to church and praise god and go on trips to shrines and the whole rigmarole but secretly they just want some company, especially the old ladies.

And yeah it'd be cool if Merkel just passed the marriage law already so Holland-Belgium-Netherlands can become the Gay Trifecta we are meant to be. France can join in once Sarkozy loses the election.
 
For like most non-gays it's nothing to actually worry about, but it is a big issue to, er, gays. Screw the economy, I want a big gay wedding. >:( (also big gay weddings would HELP the economy since gays have lots of disposable income)
 
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