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Stem cell research is a very promising field that looks like it could provide cures to many diseases, possibly including cancer.
In the US, it has been banned for the last eight years on purely religious grounds.
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Stem cell research is a very promising field that looks like it could provide cures to many diseases, possibly including cancer.
In the US, it has been banned for the last eight years on purely religious grounds.
Sir Lucario
You just lost The Game.
The Old Testament laws are not enforced physically anymore, but spiritually through Christ's death. No violent action is taken against gays in the New Testament. You would know that if you even knew a lick about Christianity.
GameFreakerZero said:
I'm sorry, but it's been voted on, and shot down. I shouldn't be expected to change my beliefs when voting.
GameFreakerZero said:
I'm not the one with the tough-guy attitude going around talking shit about others' values (coughwatershedcough). This is America, where everyone has a voice, yes, even *gasp* CHRISTIANS.
GameFreakerZero said:
Because it's been voted down? Everyone should have the right to vote according to their personal values, including Christians.
Tarvos
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Instead of beating them up, we now deride them for being sick and unnatural in the name of God? God, we've become such a civilised bunch since the NT came into being
yes you should if the arguments of the other party are better
I didn't talk shit about anyone's values. Religion has done things that have been detrimental to society and have held up our progress in the pursuit of knowledge. They are refusing access to things that have been scientifically grounded enough to combat or work with any sort of rationality, and yet Christianity refuses to believe out of beneficial gain (tax exemption). I haven't spoken about whether God exists at all. I said we can't prove it.
Your talk is completely out of the blue. Everyone has a voice, Christians have a voice, but having an opinion with shit backup means you have a shit opinion. When will people learn that "I have an opinion" is not a valid argument in a debate. "I think there should be a God, therefore God exists" is the worst argument ever.
everyone has the right to vote to shitty values, doesn't mean you're not wrong
Sir Lucario
You just lost The Game.
Correction. We deride the ACT of homosexuality sick and unnatural. Most of us don't hate gays themselves. Those that do are ignorant.
Watershed said:
Lawl.
I'm done with you and your pathetic trolling. Have a nice day.
Tarvos
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What's the point of being gay if you can't actually fuck someone?
ok so have fun not ever learning from your mistakes. a little bit of reflection on your actions and flaws would be appreciated, thanks. we don't need conceited arrogance coming in telling everyone NO GOD EXISTS IM RITE YAYAYA YOU'RE TROLLIN IF YER DISAGREE. See, that's what I hate. Someone going into a debating hall and not using their brains.
Offering criticism is trolling now?
Sir Lucario
You just lost The Game.
Sarcastic garbage in all caps and calling everything you disagree with "shit" hardly constitutes as criticism.
Tarvos
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it's "sarcastic garbage" and everything I disagree with is "shit", I see
i suppose you conveniently ignored the points about Galileo, the fact that science learns from its mistakes which religion doesn't, and the historical irrelevance of the bible in today's culture and called that sarcastic garbage
you have a nice way of trying to ad hominem it but it doesn't work mate
not here
GameFreakerZero
The hypest
Uh. I'm not talking about voting here, you were saying that people weren't forcing their religion on other and how America is a free country and yet people are forcing their religion by disallowing gay marriage in your country; you are disallowing another person's freedom.
Not to mention I was questioning the logic of the 'separate but equal' name that exists in my country, England, and likely a number of other European countries that I don't know, of 'civil unions', when they essentially give the exact same rights as marriage but for some reason are called 'civil unions' because religious people get their pants in a twist over it.
Actually I think watershed's been giving some fairly insightful feedback and counter arguments, I don't see why you don't just debate back instead of pulling the persecution card every time he says something that you disagree with.
Yes, I'd imagine the majority of your country would have a voice. It's hard to imagine they wouldn't. But then, so does everyone else.
Oh, and stop saying "this is America" considering about half of this forum is made up of Europeans.
Sir Lucario
You just lost The Game.
I never said that nobody is trying to force religion. Some do. I personally think it's wrong.
We aren't disallowing anyone's freedom. Everyone has the right to marry one of the opposite sex. If they choose to be gay, then one of the drawbacks is that they can't marry one of the same sex.
I think it's the other way around. Marriage is a religious ceremony. A civil union is more of a legal ceremony.
I would if he wasn't an asshole.
Most of Europe already allows gay marriage/civil union, so it's kind of redundant to talk about it as it applies to them. Look at the sidebar here.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/04/world/main604084.shtml
Tarvos
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then stop voting for laws that FORCE RELIGION UPON PEOPLE
it's hypocritical
Important word in italics. You, as a religious group, are denying them their right to marry on shaky grounds. That is disallowing their freedom. By DEFINITION.
Marriage has always been a legal ceremony. It existed before religions did. Different religions have given marriage a different meaning, but no, marriage is as much a legal institution as a religious one. Your talk is baffling. :/
Pot, this is kettle. He wanted his black colour back.
*facepalm*
I'd like to ask you something: When you hit puberty, did you look at a woman and say "Hmm...I want to be attracted to her."? Or rather, did you look at a man and say "Hmm...I don't feel like being attracted to him."? No, you didn't. Why? Because it's all chemical. A person can't choose to be gay any more than they can choose their hair or eye color.
Besides, how does it personally hurt you to allow gays to marry each other? It doesn't. FUN FACT: Jesus himself never said a word about homosexuals. It was Paul, and he was just doing it to appeal to Rome and Corinth.
Sir Lucario
You just lost The Game.
I'm not. A ban on gay marriage doesn't force anyone to believe in any religion.
and omfg stop voting for laws that FORCE ME TO ABANDON MY RELIGON
it's hypocritical
They have the same marriage rights as I do. They want different ones.
Tarvos
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No it forces people to not do things on religious grounds, which they would have every right to otherwise.
I haven't voted for any laws that forced you to abandon your religion. Gay marriage and religion go together perfectly. Marriage, as I said, is not a religious institution, no matter how much Christians pretend it is. Your reverse ad hominem doesn't work, buster.
In my country, marriage is defined as a bond between two people. Irrelevant of gender/sex.
In your country, people do not have that right. You see, they don't have marriage rights because you forbid them to. Your argument is flimsy.
It's like the old Ford saying: "You can have any colour you like, as long as it's black."
Now that doesn't work, my friend.
GameFreakerZero
The hypest
Hey, could you do a test for me quickly? Could you look at an attractive guy quickly and choose to get an erection over him?
If you're unable to do this, you have proved yourself wrong. If you can, well good for you but most people can't do this. You don't just wake up and say, "what a wonderful day to be gay!" You can't choose to be gay and if you're going to make a claim like that, you sure as hell better be ready to back it up.
Then why are atheists allowed to get married?
And what about religious homosexuals?
Hur hur yeah I know I live in a country there T_T
That doesn't take away the fact that the discriminative label of "civil union" exists, and the fact there are a lot of people here who're still complete homophobes.
No, but it infringes other people's freedom of choice, which is the same thing that means you're allowed to believe in whatever the hell god you want.
No, they want to give everyone better, and freer, marriage rights.