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What is Freedom?

Freedom is having the right to do whatever you want so long as it doesn't inhibit anyone else's freedom i.e. get a slave/eat his legs.

Slavery is becoming a person's property and losing your freedom at your owner's discretion.
 
Retsu said:
It's those damned socialists.
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Yeah man. People waving red flags. America has a fucking Red scare. They think Europe is socialist or something. No, we're social-democrats, which is something entirely different. Basically, we're more centrist than the conservative US. On the whole. I mean you have conservatives in like every country.

Except in China and Cuba and their ilk, of course.

Also fuck the first person that quotes the US Constitution. One more "the pursuit of happiness" and I will have to execute someone.

To me freedom is nonexistent. You cannot have pure, absolute freedom, for having the freedom to kill means you take someone else's freedom to live. Freedom is therefore a compromised, meaningless, invalid term. We have the ability to do as we please within certain limits. These limits are bound by the sort of morals we have, the sort of laws our country has instated, and all that nice yadda yadda that comes along with ethics.

This is the vague answer, but a debate as this is so inherently vague and flawed that it's not really a surprise that we end up with this answer.
 
Watershed said:
Freedom is nonexistent. You cannot have pure, absolute freedom, for having the freedom to kill means you take someone else's freedom to live. Freedom is therefore a compromised, meaningless, invalid term. We have the ability to do as we please within certain limits. These limits are bound by the sort of morals we have, the sort of laws our country has instated, and all that nice yadda yadda that comes along with ethics.
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Oh so true. Even if we attain the freedom as the law states, society has given us a moral hindrance. Even if we were allowed to, we wouldn't eat someone's arm for dessert because it's immoral. We wouldn't carjack someone even if it was allowed because we think it's immoral. Hence in our society there's no such thing as freedom.
 
Grimdour The Desecrater said:
Oh so true. Even if we attain the freedom as the law states, society has given us a moral hindrance. Even if we were allowed to, we wouldn't eat someone's arm for dessert because it's immoral. We wouldn't carjack someone even if it was allowed because we think it's immoral. Hence in our society there's no such thing as freedom.
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The issue really is: what are the right morals to allow you the right amount of liberties for society to function optimally?

Now there's a debate.
 
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