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American Censorship Day
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nastypass
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I've read this too; still really hoping it doesn't come to that, though.
hopeandjoy
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nastypass
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with as much popular opposition as this thing's got, there's no way even the densest of Republican majorities can override a veto on it
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On one end of the political spectrum we have anarchy, or state of nature/ chaos, and on the other end we have communism, where the government owns your soul. Liberals and conservatives are really quite similar minded groups, but if you go far enough to the right you get to anarchy and if you go far enough to the left you get to communism. So this bill is a far out liberal thing to do. Now that you're educated, you won't make these blatantly ignorant and disrespectful comments :D . I consider myself liberal by the way.
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Abwayax
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エル.;557564 said:
I'm not quite sure where you got that impression. Anarchism is considered very far left. The extreme right of the political spectrum is fascism.
No, censorship definitely isn't a "far out liberal thing" at all. Nonetheless, it seems many Democrats support the bill too
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I took a Civics class one year. I guess it's worth mentioning it was an american civics class? Socialism farther left than the average democrat, agreed? And socialism promotes government regulated institutions and services, like health care, education, etc. It also has a higher degree of redistribution of wealth. Fiscally, it has a tighter grip on its citizens' wallets, whereas conservatism is more liassez faire. Even on social issues, liberals tend to regulate more, such as on gun control.
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エル.;557770 said:
This is a ridiculously inaccurate and oversimplified view of the minutiae of politics. I could speak at length about the various reasons why what you're saying is wrong, but it would be easier to just link you to the Political Compass -- which is also somewhat oversimplified (not taking into accounts such factors as "collectivism vs individualism" or "progressivism vs reactionaryism") but should give you a clearer idea of the mistakes you're making.
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I'd be happy to explore any links you give me, but I'm just repeating what I've learned in school. I know it's simplified. Theoretically you could asses the political spectrum in any number of ways, it's just that the way I was formally taught was that on one side there are no governmental regulations, and as you go farther down the line government intervenes more and more, which seems like a pretty reasonable way to categorize political ideologies. Presumably the Political Compas you mention has more than just one dimension?
Teh Ebil Snorlax
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エル.;558085 said:
Yes, because the way you were taught it is completely ridiculous. As the Political Compass mentions, Stalin and Gandhi were both fairly extreme leftists but there's obviously no comparison between them. Stalin was a brutal authoritarian whereas Gandhi was a libertarian. Stalin was a radical collectivist whereas Gandhi was a staunch individualist. "Left" and "right" are fundamentally economic descriptors that don't take the social aspect of politics into account. It's not adequate to describe all "liberals" as leftists, when some liberals are socially liberal and economically leftist (social democracy) and others are socially liberal and economically right-wing (libertarianism). Similarly, you can't just say all authoritarians are right-wing, when some authoritarians are socially authoritarian and economically leftist (totalitarianism) and others are socially authoritarian and economically right-wing (fascism).
The problem with your earlier assertions is that you're conflating the social and economic spectra in ridiculous ways. Your assertion that communism and anarchism are opposites was an especially glaring error given the ideology of anarcho-communism. Communism in of itself is neither authoritarian nor liberal; it's an economic system. Communism can either be combined with extreme authoritarianism to produce totalitarianism or with liberalism to produce anarcho-communism.
Socialism is not "left of liberalism", it's on a completely different spectrum. You can have liberal and authoritarian socialists.
Etc, etc, etc.
Vipera Magnifica
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This bill can pass guys. With all the lobbying that the media corporations are doing, it's highly possible. Sign this petition if you want to protect the internet from this legislation that affects everyone, not just Americans... http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet
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Well at least President Obama is going to veto the bill; I doubt they'll have enough votes to override that veto.
SOPA, the House version of the bill, was shelved yesterday until a consensus could be reached by the House Judiciary Committee regarding amendments and whether to allow the bill to be presented.
PIPA is scheduled for Senate presentation on the 24th.
The absolute best thing that could happen, other than the bills not passing the Senate and House, would be a pocket veto, but I'm not sure whether Congress will be in session at the time it could be pocket vetoed.
SOPA, the House version of the bill, was shelved yesterday until a consensus could be reached by the House Judiciary Committee regarding amendments and whether to allow the bill to be presented.
PIPA is scheduled for Senate presentation on the 24th.
The absolute best thing that could happen, other than the bills not passing the Senate and House, would be a pocket veto, but I'm not sure whether Congress will be in session at the time it could be pocket vetoed.
SapphSabre777
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There is too much harm in this bill. Many websites would suffer humongous losses. Think about online businesses... That is scary to think about...
If this bill passes, then the Internet is in the hands of the government. A once-free Internet will be in the hands of an obviously troubled government.
If this bill passes, then the Internet is in the hands of the government. A once-free Internet will be in the hands of an obviously troubled government.