Gym Leader Choice Pokémafia 2 - Game Thread

[bruh moment]

Of course! Right meow, the best I managed to come up with giving the Badge to the person below the leader of the meowfiakill on that list of players that was posted on Page 1

ohhh i understand what you meant now, (though others have pointed out why that has some problems too). thought you were literally talking about giving the badge to the wolf who killed you
-m

 

[rari_teh]

Although the post is confusing to me. Like obviously whoever killed UC wouldn't announce it?

There's something else I wanted to ask about that's kind of slipped under the radar.

So... you think I could have made myself a Mafia-target meow? I sure hope so I'm capable of targeting meowself, so I can find out who led the kill if they do. And then I can give out the Earthbadge to that player, or to someowne else in a way to indicate who led the Mafkill

What exactly was your idea when suggesting this? Were you saying you would give badges to the person who killed you? Since it doesn't seem like it's announced who gets the badges, how exactly would giving badges to the mafia accomplish anything except giving the mafia more firepower? Surely you thought of this before suggesting such a play?

Of course! Right meow, the best I managed to come up with giving the Badge to the person below the leader of the meowfiakill on that list of players that was posted on Page 1

i’m compiling a catchup post but i feel like this should be addressed asap
if ultracool sets to watch himself every night, he’s effectively become a vt, innit
- rari

 

[Mr. Ultracool]

What if the person below them was also mafia

what if they're mafia too

there are two mafia members right below meowne another...

I was thinking about that ever since I had the idea with the badge, to be meownest, but the best I cameow up with was re-ramdomizing it and hoping for the best

 

[Mawile]

if ultracool sets to watch himself every night, he’s effectively become a vt, innit

yeah his power kind of becomes worthless then since he could be watching other people

it's more reliable for him to watch someone else in case he catches a kill instead of repeatedly self-watching and hoping his badge giveaway works as planned

 

[Mawile]

if ultracool sets to watch himself every night, he’s effectively become a vt, innit

yeah his power kind of becomes worthless then since he could be watching other people

it's more reliable for him to watch someone else in case he catches a kill instead of repeatedly self-watching and hoping his badge giveaway works as planned

i also think that a badge could be better distributed to someone who has a badge power that could be powerful instead of just essientially randomly

 

[Mr. Ultracool]

Although the post is confusing to me. Like obviously whoever killed UC wouldn't announce it?

There's something else I wanted to ask about that's kind of slipped under the radar.

So... you think I could have made myself a Mafia-target meow? I sure hope so I'm capable of targeting meowself, so I can find out who led the kill if they do. And then I can give out the Earthbadge to that player, or to someowne else in a way to indicate who led the Mafkill

What exactly was your idea when suggesting this? Were you saying you would give badges to the person who killed you? Since it doesn't seem like it's announced who gets the badges, how exactly would giving badges to the mafia accomplish anything except giving the mafia more firepower? Surely you thought of this before suggesting such a play?

Of course! Right meow, the best I managed to come up with giving the Badge to the person below the leader of the meowfiakill on that list of players that was posted on Page 1

i’m compiling a catchup post but i feel like this should be addressed asap
if ultracool sets to watch himself every night, he’s effectively become a vt, innit
- rari

You're assuming that the Mafia didn't target me-owth of fear that I'd find them, it seems. Personally, I'd hope they'll kill an inforole like meowself sooner rather than later. Also, I can actually get Alignmeownts after all, but in a weird way...

 

[Mawile]

You're assuming that the Mafia didn't target me-owth of fear that I'd find them, it seems. Personally, I'd hope they'll kill an inforole like meowself sooner rather than later. Also, I can actually get Alignmeownts after all, but in a weird way...

so you're now making yourself more of a target now then by mentioning this

 

[bruh moment]

You're assuming that the Mafia didn't target me-owth of fear that I'd find them, it seems. Personally, I'd hope they'll kill an inforole like meowself sooner rather than later.

???

 

[Mr. Ultracool]

You're assuming that the Mafia didn't target me-owth of fear that I'd find them, it seems. Personally, I'd hope they'll kill an inforole like meowself sooner rather than later. Also, I can actually get Alignmeownts after all, but in a weird way...

so you're now making yourself more of a target now then by mentioning this

That's my schemeow, yes.

 

[bruh moment]

hey @Vipera Magnifica can you talk to me about where you are in re: ultracool? as i followed it looked like your initial at him was from this post:

Señor Ultracool, if you claim to have used your watcher action on me, why would you then suggest it possible I can't be targeted?

but then as you say later, he's ~confirmed to not be lying about having some type of watcher ability, so i assume there's some other thoughts you have independently of the roleclaim. could you talk more about what specifically you find "odd" (or actually, not even 'odd', but scummy)

-m

 

[bruh moment]

(personally - i agree he's watcher, and that watcher isn't alignment-indicative. but idk he's reminding me of tarot a lot, especially in his attempts to strategize, and even if some of the ideas he's proposing are off-kilter i don't yet believe that they're necessarily him being anti-town?)
-m

 

[RNP]

rari you're amazing i appreciate you and you're an amazing member of this community but you damn near gave me a heart attack with the 14 notifications

 

[bruh moment]

you damn near gave me a heart attack with the 14 notifications

bruh just think of the reaction score gains we're getting.
-m

 

[Mawile]

rari you're amazing i appreciate you and you're an amazing member of this community but you damn near gave me a heart attack with the 14 notifications

just turn off reaction notifications tbh

 

[RNP]

rari you're amazing i appreciate you and you're an amazing member of this community but you damn near gave me a heart attack with the 14 notifications

just turn off reaction notifications tbh

don't you tell me what to do ghost boy

 

[Mr. Ultracool]

Anyways, if I meownage to trigger that condition for my alignmentcheck, who meows? Maybe I'll be seen as a threat and remeowed next Night, or I find out who a Mafiameowmber is and what function they can perform

 

[rari_teh]

the more i brood about what’s happening the worse i feel about it. i’ll place a vote on zori for now and hope she’s not an activated alien.

Rari, would you mind explaining your vote here?

the worst thing about being active only at night is that other people have already addressed things you were going to by the time you arrive, but fuck it, i’ll just say it in my words.

zori is being way too assertive on things that don’t really make sense and trying to gaslight by aggressively suggesting town-hurting moves with such confidence people can’t help but doubt themselves.

a redux: she tried to bring into discussion the lack of an n0, which pretty much everybody agreed is a bit pointless at the moment (i see it as w!zori either trying to steer discussion into useless speculation or fishing for a naïve roleblocker/doctor to out themself); then, when that proved unfruitful, she suggested whoever stopped the nightkill to claim, which would effectively do nothing but give mafia information and a sweet N1 target; then she said that doctors are “mid-tier PRs” and getting a conftown would be better than potentially saving people from dying later on, which does not make objective sense under any logic; then when too many people were side-eyeing her all-but-openwolfing she gave a half-backtrack and said that she stands by her suggestion with the caveat that nobody really knows if they stopped the N0 or not (#70), which, as bruh instantly pointed, should completely nullify her suggestion

all that aside, her one-badge vig claim is literally too good to be true imo. this doesn’t really make sense unless she has a very good and very wolfy badgepower and is trying to attract badges

unless somebody comes out with a redcheck, i am not moving my vote toDay.

Spoiler

i fully agree with bruh and ysa here, except i’m not giving zori the benefit of the doubt anymore

pushing for early claims isn't really that great of a look and she's historically been against roleclaiming needlessly
it's kind of like ... my read on her is oscillatory right now and i'm just going to wait until more happens, i think. maybe she does believe that a claim could bring about confirmed town, but i'm alternating between that and "... but she probably understands how it could backfire" and then going ?_?. also thrown off by having had an extended conversation about it and her kind of ignoring the points brought up and ultimately saying

stand by my previous suggestion w/ the (large) caveat that probably noone ds certain they stopped a kill

she's assertive as both alignments, but as scum in ooc i thought she was even more given to like ... bulldozing through what other people were saying. so i can't tell if this is an example of that or not yet
-m

As for Zori's play I felt weird about her push about revealing possible protective/disrupting roles (if i understood correctly)? coupled with her own claim it seems like it would be in her best interest to try to keep protective roles hidden. Plus her asking for badges for her power early on. I wanted to give her a chance to explain, but hmmmm. It doesn't seem like she's thinking about town as a team. More like chesspieces (?)

she's assertive as both alignments, but as scum in ooc i thought she was even more given to like ... bulldozing through what other people were saying. so i can't tell if this is an example of that or not yet

actually maybe this exchange deviates from ^ that pattern a bit:

disagree, i don't think this makes sense in a role madness setup tbh for basically the same reasons as discussed in ooc. i think they should stay hidden
-m

Despite 3? doctors, I don't think there was a save
idk, I just think we should take the confirmed town instead of trying to get more heals
but it's definitely not surefire in a high power setup

@rari_teh i'm curious to hear what you think of this also
-m

this makes no objective sense and zori knows it. “take the confirmed town instead of trying to get more heals”? isn’t this pretty much exactly what she was being adamant on doing in ooctvtmqm and nowhere else? she just wants to find doctors to kill at this point and it honestly surprises me that people are going through her posts and going “ah ok, checks out”. goes to prove that gaslighting sure works

she’s giving objectively bad advice with such confidence people don’t even feel space to question internally. she’s pulling a dani here

I'm fairly sure Ultracool is town though, and regardless he has a pretty powerful role imo

so you think that doctor isn’t too powerful but watcher is? interesting eh

I'm vaguely thinking about looking for wolves in the players who stated in thread that RNP was a bad vote?
Obviously a large number of them are town, and I agree with the stance, but it feels like a thing that I would do as wolf

this is a powerwolf if i ever saw one

If there is a protective role who is certain that they stopped a kill, I'd take 2 clears on D1 over me being able to shoot ~2 times
the caveat being that one probably doesn't exist

this is a terrible backtracking attempt

something like how I caught rari for very vocally defending RNP in cats?

HAHAHAHHAAHAH MATE
caught me for very vocally defending keith in cats? really?? in the same game i killed you N1 for having the same Very Unique role as me? where you, after dead, was absolutely sure i was mafia because you had no reason to be nightkilled other than having limneighbourized me? and then later claimed to be neighbourizer myself?

you even thought mewt was mafia because she was corroborating my limneighbourizer claim. wtf. this is revisionist gaslighting. awoo more.

well i should clarify. my badge power is weird.
first of all it takes a whopping 8 badges, so dump them into me i guess

second of all, it's both a night *and* day ability. it takes up two phases.

during one day, i post I'm going on a journey. Come with me. and then the following night, any mafia who doesn't visit me has their role and alignment revealed to me. so basically the mafia has to kill me or be totally revealed

…oh, keith. i hope you’re lying. because if you’re not you’ve just wasted your entire role.

my point is that the 2 confirmed town are worth more than the chance for more doctor saves, as it probably blocks out 1 vote option for wolves (here the D1 part is important, because the saves are independent of alignment)
I guess that's me being more focused on dayplay than nightplay

i would say more words about why this doesn’t make any sense, but a) i think i already got my point across and b) you know why this doesn’t make sense

 

[rari_teh]

before i forget, i think ultracool is within his towngame here and wouldn’t be comfortable having him lynched toDay

 

[bruh moment]

this makes no objective sense and zori knows it. “take the confirmed town instead of trying to get more heals”? isn’t this pretty much exactly what she was being adamant on doing in ooctvtmqm and nowhere else? she just wants to find doctors to kill at this point and it honestly surprises me that people are going through her posts and going “ah ok, checks out”. goes to prove that gaslighting sure works

mm, the reason i'm not more certain here is that i think she seems more insecure about the suggestion here than in ooc (where i didn't think she'd have bothered trying to explain it in the way she is here, even if i disagree/am still kind of flagged by it). this doesn't feel as bulldoze-y to me but i also haven't reread enough yet. do you think it's the same?

 

[bruh moment]

buuut, i'm not actually opposed to a seshas wagon either, and i agree with you that i like it a lot more than the uc one (and as i sort of said before, i'm worried that some peope are conflating him being off-the-wall with him actually wolfing)
-m