Gym Leader Choice Pokémafia 2 - Game Thread

[bruh moment]

also quick note, i said earlier that i was guessing at 5 wolves given 18 players, but the 3p flips throws off the ratio (since it would be 5w/2t/11v -> really bad scum/town ratio) so maybe uh. 4?
-m

actually 4/11 still feels steep so i'll just put a pin in this
basically "5 seems wrong"
-m

 

[bruh moment]

does anyone who's been in mfia know how significant the flavor usually is
because part of me is like. if flavor is THAT relevant (like the trap thing) it feels like, too easy
-m

 

[Mawile]

because part of me is like. if flavor is THAT relevant (like the trap thing) it feels like, too easy

it does feel too easy, but to be fair, so does trying to go off of potential move types

 

[bruh moment]

also quick note, i said earlier that i was guessing at 5 wolves given 18 players, but the 3p flips throws off the ratio (since it would be 5w/2t/11v -> really bad scum/town ratio) so maybe uh. 4?
-m

actually 4/11 still feels steep so i'll just put a pin in this
basically "5 seems wrong"
-m

wait
just checked, realized mafia wincon in pokkén had to do with all living, not just town
-m

 

[bruh moment]

because part of me is like. if flavor is THAT relevant (like the trap thing) it feels like, too easy

it does feel too easy, but to be fair, so does trying to go off of potential move types

i was also asking because i was a little worried about the move type assumption as well tbh
-m

 

[Mawile]

just checked, realized mafia wincon in pokkén had to do with all living, not just town

this seems to be a constant, since mafia wincon in elite 4 choice, ORAS (kinda), and villianous team all had it phrased as "50% of all living players are [mafia]"

 

[bruh moment]

just checked, realized mafia wincon in pokkén had to do with all living, not just town

this seems to be a constant, since mafia wincon in elite 4 choice, ORAS (kinda), and villianous team all had it phrased as "50% of all living players are [mafia]"

mm, yeah i was checking through those too
maybe scratch my other thing then, 5 might still be it
-m

 

[Zero Moment]

They also left behind the most bizarre crime scene anyone's done seen lately. The cops who went there to investigate... one of them got swept of his feet by a tripwire, and the other got a bucket stuck on her head as soon as she pushed the door out. There were zany things like these all over the guy's hotel room... some of them already fired, others were still primed.

so these are all traps, right

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(i am probably tinfoil hatting here tbh)

 

[bruh moment]

fuck off stop posting

me @ everyone at all times
-q

 

[Ys_]

umm Hydre you're not supposed to react to game-relevant posts

 

[rari_teh]

@rari_teh can you talk to me more about tofuthoughts/what you liked about her posting? and is your neg read in the same place still

first, my fellow kalosian tofu

Okay well, I just want to say, I didn't block the N0 kill. And I have no badge-costing abilities, but I can choose who to give badges to if I die! I also have a one-shot role (not badge-costy) but I'm going to hold off on saying what it is for now, because, no one else is really claiming. Just, don't give me your badges (if that's even a thing people can do here idk how badge work).

this was her first post. claiming not to have a badge-powered move would be a little risky considering everyone else who claimed did have one – and sure people did FoS her for that. while i don’t think it’s impossible for w!tofu to do that, be it in a fakeclaim or not, i believe this is >rand villa.

same goes to her subsequently asking people not to waste their badges on her, especially considering there was a claimed one-badge vig (who turned out to be phony but not related to the mafia)

I don't have a problem with claiming because my role isn't super powerful (but I guess potentially could be, once, if I have some information, which I cannot obtain myself). I would be okay with it for me but it makes sense if people are worried about exposing their roles to the mafia members. I think it'd be a nice change of pace to just have everyone claim D1 but don't think we'll get everyone to do that, lol.

this doesn’t feel forceful at all and fits her role to a tee, considering it’s a oneshot duplicator that only works if her target makes an action that Night. i believe this was really just tofu genuinely voicing her desire for a change of pace.

Whoa, how weird. Um... I think we could have a redirecting role that will confuse everyone (unless... One of you two had a motive to lie about visiting or not visiting dearest vm)

the fact that she posted this before vm claimed to have used attract on kokorico sounds towny for me as well. she could very easily jump to the conclusion that someone was lying; while she acknowledged the possibility, she put it as more of an afterthought

I can give out two badges when I die, so I would assume other members have a varying number of badges they can distribute?

this was posted after ultracool claimed to hand off one badge upon dying. if she were mafia i don’t think she’d be confused, since i’d imagine mafiosi must have a variable number of badges to distribute. this could be faked, but once again, slight v.

I didn't really see UC's above post when it was originally posted but I would also argue that, if Ultracool were mafia, why would he want to die and be killed by them just to distribute a badge or two (I still think watcher, or whatever his role is, could be useful and it already opened up interesting dialogue for today)? I'm not sure mafia would want to self-sacrifice to themselves, but, idk

Although the post is confusing to me. Like obviously whoever killed UC wouldn't announce it?

pointing out the flaws on ultracool’s plan is, once again, towny.

…at this point of the ISO i found an interesting contradiction.

So far I'm guessing the badges can only be distributed on someone's death? I kind of doubt there would be an action where it's just like "give a badge to someone once" because that would be a waste of an ability space?

@Tofu could you clarify what you meant by “that would be a waste of an ability space” considering that according to this later post:

Neither of my abilities cost badges, and my Vivillon's "move" is to give my two bug badges after I die, so it isn't really an ability.

you were assuming that your second ability was simply giving your two badges upon death?

Like wifom but maybe I shouldn't be talking so much about it; I thought if people knew my role, they might tell me when they were going to do something useful and I could more successfully copy someone's worthwhile action, especially now knowing that some things cost multiple badges to use and I could just duplicate it onto another target.

while this is seemingly pro-town, i can also see it as mafia interested in infofishing. judging from the larger picture, however, i am more inclined to read it as genuine, especially since she would most likely have to prove her ability after such an event

But why would I go out of my way to claim so early? I wanted to tell people so I could increase my chances of not failing at using my one-shot

makes sense, even if it’s a bit naïve at this point of the game imo since she’s probably now a prime mafia target

Oh, wait!

Idk it just said "colorful scatter" was the move and I give away my badges through it. It made sense to me when I read it because it was like, I dead but my Pokemon isn't, so it helped me out? Maybe it's just to balance the power of my other role by making my Pokemon's role not really do anything, idk M&F's mind.

Are you saying you can redistribute extra badges that you've received from other people?

Um, wow, yes, I was just trying to come up with a way to say this in a way that didn't make me sound ridiculous. I didn't look at my PM when I was typing that post and, um, I can just say woops and beg for forgiveness.

Okay, the colorful scatter thing is this: I can distribute any badges I have acquired, after I die, to any combination of people I want.

In addition, my death ones are to distribute two bug badges to anyone I choose.

But yeah, for the colorful scatter to happen, I have to be dead, and it doesn't cost anything to activate.

this is /very/ unsavoury and the only reason she’s on my null pile instead of the townleans. i’m still willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, though

I feel baaaad voting Zori because they believed my role claim and stuff, but I know yesterday I was thinking they stood out to me the most, and my other opinions haven't changed much overall. I might try to check in later before EOD and see if anything else has transpired, though.

i like how careful she was when placing her vote. she already voiced she was between zori and ultracool the day before but she decided to hold it to make a more informed vote

taking into account the vast majority of her posts are game-relevant and none of them feel like she’s steering discussion, i’d be very inclined to townlean her if it weren’t for the confusion around her colourful scatter ability.

negrek thoughts incoming in a second post.

 

[rari_teh]

@bruh moment my negrek thoughts are exactly where they were in EoD. i’m not willing to place a vote yet because i think there’s a chance i’m misunderstanding her, but she’s currently at the very top of my PoE and the more i look at her iso the worse i feel about her

How many badges do you need to vig someone?

this was her very first game-relevant post and second post overall. why would a townie need this information is beyond me. the only ways i can read this are a) curious townie and b) mafiosa trying to gauge for how long a zori nk could be postponed.

I'm not feeling super compelled by a lynch on either Zori or Mr. Ultracool at the moment, but I'm not feeling super compelled to lynch at all--with no deaths the first night, we essentially have another "free night" for inforoles with a decreased information disparity between Town and Mafia. In this scenario I think the downside of mislynching is higher than usual, since the worst case with no lynch is simply "another N0 but Town gets a second swing at all inforoles," compared to the worst case with a mislynch being "another N0 but Town gets a second swing at all inforoles, excluding the one we jettisoned." If absolutely forced to choose, I feel worse about Zori than Mr. Ultracool at the moment.

i won’t comment much on this because this is most likely just a difference on playstyles, but i am vehemently against abstentions. lynchings are the main way the town is able to kill mafiosi. as of D1 we didn’t even know if we had a vig besides possibly zori, who allegedly required one badge to vig.

Anyway, I'll claim because I don't have a problem with people knowing, and it sounds like I wouldn't be a prime target atm:

I think mine like a one-shot ability duplicator: with my photography skills, I can choose a person to copy their action. Then, the next night or day phase (it said night or day? Are there day actions?), I will use that action. It could be useful if I know for sure who I am copying, but could also just fail if people fake roleclaim, so I'm a bit hesitant about it (especially now early game). Like I said, it's only a one-shot as well.

Just for reference in case people missed my other post: when I die, I can give two badges to someone of my choosing.

Hmm, so if I understand this right, you'd first use your ability in the night, targeting a person, and then MF would send you a PM saying what the ability you obtained was? Or are you not informed of what ability you get and just automatically use it at the next opportunity? Do you get to pick the target for your copied ability, or is it random, or perhaps aimed at the same player as the ability was originally aimed at?

If you're told the ability you got, even before you use it, this still seems quite powerful for its ability to confirm a claim... and obviously if you copied something useful, it could be quite powerful to get a second instance of it for a night.

i might be misunderstanding, but once again i can only read this as a morbidly curious townie or a mafiosa infofishing. maybe i should reread negrek’s presence on tvt to freshen up, but i’m not comfortable with this pattern at all and i know it gets worse.

rnp if you're telling the truth it was massively unwise to reveal your role like that tbh
-q

yeah let me just grab 8 badges out of my fuckin cookie jar and pull out this power that notifies the mafia of when i'm using it

I'm confused, do you mean the mafia would literally receive a system message telling them that they would all need to target you or have their alignments revealed to you, or just that they would know you'd used it because they would see the trigger phrase?

Also, what's the flavor for your abilities?

this is the worst part imo. keith had already talked too much about his role and she asks for clarification on the one detail he left unclear that could leave mafia afraid to waste night actions on him in fears of getting outed. it gets less and less believable that negrek is just curious. it gets worse.

keith replies to her citing only his flavour. this is her reply:

Thanks! Does the mafia get notified outside of the thread what your ability means, or do they only know you've triggered it based on the trigger phrase appearing in the thread?

why would a townie be interested in knowing this

when he spills it, this is what she says:

Huh, interesting. Thanks!

It's definitely an odd role, but not at all outside the realm of what I would expect from MF. If you're telling the truth about it, then yeah, I think bruh moment was right in that now the cat's out of the bag, it's unlikely we'll be able to take advantage of it. But it would be very powerful, and I wouldn't totally rule it out yet.

emphasis mine. i have no words.

A little worried about activated alien. Maybe better to vig rather than lynch?

considering that herbe, a self-proclaimed 3p, was seemingly the mafia kill toNight, i have the impression that the mafia shot herbe n0 and w!negrek is pulling her hair over the then recently-started herbewagon

this is pretty much the totality of the game-relevant posts that negrek made. maybe i should be more careful but there are almost two irl-days for me to change my mind. negrek

 

[Ys_]

Hmmm, my night action got an interesting result on several counts.

So for context, my free night action targets two players (it is not Bus Driver or similar, but I'll refrain on claiming exactly what it is unless it comes down to a fullclaim situation). Last night I targeted RNP and Hydreigon.

I got my normal expected result, plus the "RNP is mafia" result that RNP told us about, plus this:

"and furthermore, hmmmadksfhjajkfakdfbasdkhjazzzzzzzzzzt"

And then it told me I cannot take actions until the night after next.

Why did you target RNP and Hydre specifically?

did anyone wake up today extremely weary? to the point of barely being able to move a muscle?

Do you mean irl?

 

[rari_teh]

Do you mean irl?

nope.

 

[rari_teh]

after rereading a bit of tvt i got more comfortable in my vote
right back at ya, @bruh moment: could you give me your negrek and tofu thoughts?

 

[Ys_]

Well then not me

 

[Mawile]

i woke up irl like that but not in-game

 

[RNP]

gonna come out and say it now

i was totally bullshitting yall with my obscenely-overpowered role

negrek

 

[RNP]

i even breadcrumbed it in i think 456

 

[JackPK]

Hmmm, my night action got an interesting result on several counts.

So for context, my free night action targets two players (it is not Bus Driver or similar, but I'll refrain on claiming exactly what it is unless it comes down to a fullclaim situation). Last night I targeted RNP and Hydreigon.

I got my normal expected result, plus the "RNP is mafia" result that RNP told us about, plus this:

"and furthermore, hmmmadksfhjajkfakdfbasdkhjazzzzzzzzzzt"

And then it told me I cannot take actions until the night after next.

Why did you target RNP and Hydre specifically?

RNP because we had previously agreed I would target him in order to check his claim that he broadcasts miller

I didn't want the other target to be someone that seemed likely to be cop/doc/other Important Roles just in case RNP was lying mafia and actually had some sort of role that might somehow bounce off me and hit the other target. I also didn't want the other target to be someone that was likely to be targeted by a bunch of other actions, to reduce the likelihood that those other actions might be something that could somehow screw up my action and make me unable to get RNP's broadcast and thereby check his claim. Hydreigon seemed an appropriate pick for those criteria IMO.