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indie/alternative rock

Which I clearly notified anyone reading the post by saying "As far as I define indie and alternative". I'm not gonna get into an argument with you because no one ever wins arguments over the boundaries of genres.
Yeah, sorry, but your opinion is apparently so outlandish that I wouldn't even bother playing this card. Do you also think Nickelback is alternative rock?
 
Well, I certainly wouldn't define it as the formulaic crap that most people call "modern rock." Nickelback, Three Days Grace, Daughtry, Creed, Seether, Linkin Park, A7X, and all of that other garbage makes me want to puke.
 
So the defining criterion of alternative rock is exactly what you dislike is not alternative rock, and exactly what you like is?
 
Well, I certainly wouldn't define it as the formulaic crap that most people call "modern rock." Nickelback, Three Days Grace, Daughtry, Creed, Seether, Linkin Park, A7X, and all of that other garbage makes me want to puke.

Nope, nope, and nope.

3DG are hard rock.
Seether are post-grunge.
A7X are heavy metal.

(I hate 3DG and Seether, too, but that's beside the point.)
 
um, you missed his point? those bands AREN'T alternative.

"alternative" is too wide of a spectrum to really be useful, but i'd say that the "alternative" sound is best represented by bands like coldplay, the killers, death cab for cutie, interpol, weezer, the strokes, etc, along with stuff like sonic youth or nirvana. "indie" and "alternative" are, in my mind, essentially the same thing, except for alternative is just an band on a major label. although i guess this definition technically makes radiohead's genre indie, which is not really the term that comes to mind, but whatever.

i think the real difference between alternative and just straight up "rock" is that alternative is kind of more of the feminine side and "rock" is more masculine. bands like the ones AK listed are all sort of have a hard-hitting, confident, dick-size-compensating sound while "alternative" can be more introspective, poppy, "whiny", and at times more artsy. sorry if i'm not really making sense here.
 
I'm not entirely sure if you'd define them as alternative, but I rather like Muse. I have some Radiohead and Coldplay albums as well (namely OK Computer and Viva la Vida). And not to mention Elbow, who I've grown to really like. Especially seeing as how I have obsessively listened to Grounds for Divorce since I finally bought the whole Seldom Seen Kid album last Saturday.
 
This genre confuses me. There's no reason why not being on a major label means you will necessarily have a different sound. Plus I don't care which label a group is on and won't attempt to find out, so I have no idea what actually IS indie/alternative.

As far as I know, though... the following are alternative, and I like them: Poets of the Fall, Death Cab for Cutie and Paramore. But hey, I probably listen to a lot more alternative bands I just don't know count as 'alternative'. I'd tend to call those three pop rock, to be honest. God, I hate genres.
 
in line with zeta's masculine/feminine analogy, i associated alternative rock with a rough, hard-edged sound, whereas indie bands might be inclined to make things seem prettier, or perhaps cleaner or tidier. there is a clear divide between nirvana and, say, pavement.

both are blanket terms, and there isn't a sound that's uniform underneath it. that said, alternative bands generally have more in common with each other than indie bands; sonic youth and nirvana have similar sounds, whereas stereolab and yeah yeah yeahs, while both indie bands, almost never sound like they take the same sonic cues.
 
This genre confuses me. There's no reason why not being on a major label means you will necessarily have a different sound. Plus I don't care which label a group is on and won't attempt to find out, so I have no idea what actually IS indie/alternative.
Label =/= genre; nobody ever stated otherwise.
 
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