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Occupy (Insert Location)

Phantom

Phantom

Uh, I didn't do it.
I will admit, I have no idea what these protests are... other than annoying. If anyone would clarify/bring up points I'd be very grateful.
 
It's about putting the middle finger up to [location].
Fuck off huge corporations who own us, fuck off!
That sort of thing.
It's not gonna work of course, and the rich will always own our souls.
But fuck it, you know?
 
...... really? Redirected to wikipedia? I know what they are. I just wanted to start a discussion.
 
Fucking phone.

Didn't mean that. Meant I know what they are, don't see a point... I mean I'm not one to not bother to freaking google something when I want to learn about it... all I find are round about definitions that never seem to mean... anything.

Translation, there's a word missiing in my first post.
 
Cerberus said:
I don't see a point if it's not going to change anything.
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a) How do you know it's not going to change anything?
b) Even if it doesn't change something in concrete terms, it will certainly change the awareness of people and their attitudes towards these issues.

You could apply that to any political movement. "Oh, well, it's not going to change anything, we may as well not bother." But then you don't get anywhere.
 
And then we have political movements and we still don't get anywhere.

Honestly, peaceful protest is bullshit nowadays, because the government knows how to manipulate them. Occupy [blah] will do fuck all because the government's already got the majority to hate them.
Just like phantom's post.
It's basically 'They're doing fuck all for the wrong reasons and it's inconveniencing you! They're basically Nazis! D:< '

There's a quote by Gandhi that's like 'First they mock us, then they ignore us, then they fight us, then we win', but that only works when it's just the, well, the 1% fighting.
 
Saith said:
There's a quote by Gandhi that's like 'First they mock us, then they ignore us, then they fight us, then we win', but that only works when it's just the, well, the 1% fighting.
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This is irrelevant but I sat there like 'BUT THAT WAS IN A ROBBIE WILLIAMS SONG WHAT'

and then I looked it up and I'm terribly embarrassed now.
 
Honestly, I stopped caring about demonstrations. Occupy's anti-capitalist rhetoric irritates me not because it's anti-capitalist (we all know what capitalism did for us), but because it's so strictly anti-capitalist in a way that makes it rigid. Parts of capitalism work - for some things, market mechanisms are actually a good way of separating the wheat from the chaff. Just not in education, environment or health care!

There needs to be a middle ground because without market mechanisms, there's no economic incentive to produce quality - but without government intervention and regulation capitalism screws itself up a big one. That's my view - Occupy is good to turn the tide against modern, rampant capitalism, but Occupy's ideals are not the answer.
 
Tarvos said:
Honestly, I stopped caring about demonstrations. Occupy's anti-capitalist rhetoric irritates me not because it's anti-capitalist (we all know what capitalism did for us), but because it's so strictly anti-capitalist in a way that makes it rigid. Parts of capitalism work - for some things, market mechanisms are actually a good way of separating the wheat from the chaff. Just not in education, environment or health care!

There needs to be a middle ground because without market mechanisms, there's no economic incentive to produce quality - but without government intervention and regulation capitalism screws itself up a big one. That's my view - Occupy is good to turn the tide against modern, rampant capitalism, but Occupy's ideals are not the answer.
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It's annoying me because they're doing pretty shitty. If they were winning, it'd be like, fuck yeah!
But they're not, so it's like, give it up guys, you're not gonna do anything, ugh.
Although as far as I can tell, the Occupy movement isn't against capitalism in the sense of doing better and getting rewarded for it. They're against it in the sense of, for example, the Rothschildes practically owning us. The big banking families owning the government and the people. They're against bankers having such an iron grip on society and, along with that, they're against the huge companies having a hand in government.
It's just that a lot of these big companies control the media, too, so most of us 'commoners' see these protesters on the news along with, say, Jimmy Carr making gay jokes and so nobody takes 'em seriously.
 
The whole point is that we are too powerless to ~change~ anything. Being able to change things is the luxury of those in control - as I understand it, the main goal of Occupy is purely to rally and gain particular awareness. And it's certainly made some kind of success there.
 
Legendaryseeker99 said:
Wait


What did capitalism do for us?????

And what are these political words you are using
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Capitalism teaches us that there's a merit to working hard and earning your living, instead of sitting on your fat ass because the state gives you everything you'd ever need. Basically, social security is there for people who need it, but it's not there for people who are perfectly capable of being a part of the labour force.
 
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