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Thanksgiving!

No one denies that the pilgrims fucked everything up for the original inhabitants, Vlad, but that still isn't the principle of why the holiday was declared (selective memory on Abe's part, I guess) and no one celebrates it for the pilgrims other than third graders because their teachers make them put on stupid pilgrim and turkey pageants. No one remembers the pilgrims, so it's really just hey-free-long-weekend-with-family-and-good-food-on-the-government-for-no-real-reason-day. I guess it kind of fails as a holiday, but still.

iphillip, you really don't need to be so defensive, though. Calm down.
 
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Who killed them all once they learnt how to harvest food.

Reminder that the Pilgrims were a bunch of genocidal, superstitious, illiterate rejects from something approaching a civilized society and America would be a much better place without their influence.
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America would not exist as we know it without their influence. It would have been entirely possible that Hitler would have taken over the world, and we would be under his son's dictatorship right now, and that would be simply fabulous, wouldn't it, VP?

And what do you want to know about pertaining to European history.
 
America would not exist as we know it without their influence. It would have been entirely possible that Hitler would have taken over the world, and we would be under his son's dictatorship right now, and that would be simply fabulous, wouldn't it, VP?
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America already existed before the pilgrims went to fuck it up. And yes, America would have been populated with other people, or, dare I say it, the Native Americans would have been introduced to European resources by means other than slaughter and 'prospered' on their own.
Hitler would never have taken over the world. Had America not intervened, Russia would have eventually gotten the upper hand.
And if you're hinting even the slightest bit that I'm a nazi, you can fuck off.

Oh, I don't know, something you judge impressive I guess.
 
Why do you insist that it was only the pilgrims? It was EVERYBODY in America that killed the natives. And, if it wasn't for the Nuclear Bomb-which was created bey Einstein in the US- then Hitler would have one. I am only being defensive because he is being offensive, and I am protecting my country, persé(sp?). I am not hinting that you are a Nazi, for my great uncle was a Nazi, and I would never insult you by making you be on the same page.

I believe that it was impressive that Spain and France were allies for a long time, even so much that they shared some land in the US. I find it impressive that the Pope had to draw a line saying where Portugal could colonize and where Spain could colonize. I enjoy the study of the medieval era, and kings like Constantine. I find Roman and Greek history quite intriguing. Hammurabi's code was quite messed up, with lower class having harsher punishment, etc.
 
which was created bey Einstein in the US
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No, it was invented by a whole bunch of people working at the Los Alamos lab, most notably Oppenheimer.

Hammurabi's code was quite messed up, with lower class having harsher punishment, etc.
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While you are quite right, Hammurabi was not exactly in Europe.
 
The nuclear bomb was used on Japan, never on Europe, unless I'm misreading your post (and yeah, Einstein didn't invent it himself. He also wan't born in America and went there only because of Hitler's election to Chancellor). I don't see why you'd have to defend your country just because you come from there, I'll be the first one to admit Portugal is pretty much a shithole nowadays.

I prefer the Victorians and the early 20th century myself, but Ancient Greeks and Romans are pretty groovy. The Renaissance was fine too. Hammurabi's Code isn't European history, but it's interesting.
Still, the things you mentioned are pretty general knowledge. By 'more than a bit' I was expeting some kind of obscure fact that would blow me away or something :v
 
He wasn't a vegetarian, though he didn't eat much meat. He liked some types of sausage but didn't eat much other meat for health reasons.
And yeah, I knew that. He also only had one testicle and, according to his bodyguards, was a pretty funny guy.
 
wtf is up with the observations about Thanksgiving celebrating genocide? Yeah, there was a genocide of the native americans, but this has nothing to do with it. The first thanksgiving wasn't even celebrated by the Pilgrim settlers; it was in Florida. One guy named Squanto came and taught the Pilgrim settlers how to catch eel and grow corn, and also served as their interpreter. After the day of the first harvest, they had a festival to celebrate "yay food".

Actually, Thanksgiving as we celebrate today is something done by Lincoln to celebrate the Civil War being over, so it has less to do with the Native Americans than we usually think.

Honestly, I only like it because of the free long weekend.

Also it seems I arrived late. I made this when there were like 5 posts so yeah disregard this.
 
Einstein's theories were what started the whole idea of the nuke. I realize that he was German. I feel like it is the right thing to do to defend America. I do believe that America is shitty, so, yeah.
 
But why do you feel the need to defend it if you think it's shitty? I'd understand if I were comparing modern-day Americans to the pilgrims or if I called Americans the worst people on Earth or something but er.
 
Okay, okay. The Pilgrims were kooks, I admit, but this isn't to celebrate any of their nonsense. We're celebrating their feast that they had after a good harvest, which is a treasured time of cooperation in the past and if remembered overly-fondly, we are sorry but it's a cute holiday and it's come to mean sharing and generosity and all that.
Also being thankful for what we have and that we don't have to work as hard as others.
 
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