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who thought that
ashfur was the one who betryed thunderclan?
though i thought it was for very different reasons
 
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ijy said:
who thought that (spoiler) ashfur was the one who betryed thunderclan? (spoiler) though i thought it was for very different reasons
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(pst the correct way to spoiler things is [SPOILER=whatever it's spoiling]insert spoiltext here[/SPOILER].)

Anyway~ Tigerstar and Sasha: Escape from the Forest comes/came out today. I likes this series so far~
 
D: WTF I WAS GOING TO READ THE BOOKS in like two days and I was totally trying not to spoil myself and darn
 
I usually just get the main books, or read the manga/spin-offs at the bookstore. =D I can read fast~
 
Leafpool said:
D: Here, I'll make it up to you. Have a cookie! *hands cookie to Tailsy*
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-nomnom cookie-

I know I'm getting Eclipse and Long Shadows for Christmas though, so it's not too bad. x3
BUT WTF it was actually Ashfur?? ;__; But he's totally awesome and shizz I don't even WANT to know what happens next.
 
Cinderpelt said:
And to Tailsy, it was never actually confirmed that he was the traitor.
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What, so he himself saying it is not confirming it? That's basically saying that the kits may still actually be Squirrelflight's. o.O

And I doubt he'd confess to a crime he didn't do when he didn't even know that Hawkfrost had a ThunderClan partner...
 
Wait a minute! Wasn't
Ashfur on the log at one point? That means that it could very well be that he just scraped his neck on a branch.

Do I think too hard?
 
Darksong said:
Wait a minute! Wasn't
Ashfur on the log at one point? That means that it could very well be that he just scraped his neck on a branch.

Do I think too hard?
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Leafpool said that the wound looked like a cat did it, and I doubt they're building up all this suspense just to say, "Oh wait it was an accident after all. SURPRISE!"

Leafpool said:
What, so he himself saying it is not confirming it? That's basically saying that the kits may still actually be Squirrelflight's. o.O

And I doubt he'd confess to a crime he didn't do when he didn't even know that Hawkfrost had a ThunderClan partner...
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Where in the book did he say he was the traitor? Sure, he said he was the one who led Firestar to the fox trap, but he said he did that to make Squirrelflight suffer, and he could have very well been acting on his own whim.
 
Cinderpelt said:
Where in the book did he say he was the traitor? Sure, he said he was the one who led Firestar to the fox trap, but he said he did that to make Squirrelflight suffer, and he could have very well been acting on his own whim.
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True, but the books never actually said 'the cat that helped Hawkfrost' was a traitor. We all assumed from the way Hawkfrost worded his... words... that he had a ThunderClan partner that was actually working with him to destroy Brambleclaw/Firestar/ThunderClan instead of just attempting to murder Firestar out of a grudge. I mean, when I thought Ashfur was the traitor I thought he wanted to get Brambleclaw shown as a traitor by killing his own leader, not that he genuinely wanted Firestar dead.

... basically what I'm saying is that we called the cat who helped Hawkfrost 'a traitor' because that's what all thought the cat was.
 
Aaaactually, Leafpool, I think that
if Ashfur really led Firestar to the trap, he had to have been helping Hawkfrost. Hmm... I remember a quote from Sunset. *flips through* Here, see?

"'Fool!' Hawkfrost rasped; the effort of speaking made the blood pour even faster from his terrible wound. 'Do you think I did this alone? Do you thnk you're safe within your own Clan?' He coughed, spitting out clots of blood, and added, 'Think again!'" - page 299

Hawkfrost's words heavily imply that he was working with someone; I don't really think he'd just walk in alone without a plan, see Ashfur, and go ":D I'm being helped, I can actually do something now!" And I really doubt that there were two traitors--nobody else has motive. I'm certain it was all Ashfur.
 
Flametail said:
Aaaactually, Leafpool, I think that
if Ashfur really led Firestar to the trap, he had to have been helping Hawkfrost.
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What I'm saying is that he did help Hawkeh, but I was saying that he wasn't quite a traitor per se because he wasn't against ThunderClan in general or Firestar - only Squirrelflight. I suggest you reread what Cinderpelt and I posted. 8D
 
Of course, Hawkfrost could've always just said that so Brambleclaw would be uneasy. It didn't necessarily have to have any basis of truth in it.
 
shadow_lugia said:
Of course, Hawkfrost could've always just said that so Brambleclaw would be uneasy. It didn't necessarily have to have any basis of truth in it.
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Yeah, except we now know for a fact that Ashfur did it. So Hawkfrost had to have known and plotted with Ashfur about leading Firestar to the trap; I can't imagine Hawkfrost not knowing and just teling Brambleclaw there was a traitor to make him paranoid.

Leafpool said:
What I'm saying is that he did help Hawkeh, but I was saying that he wasn't quite a traitor per se because he wasn't against ThunderClan in general or Firestar - only Squirrelflight. I suggest you reread what Cinderpelt and I posted. 8D
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... Rereading didn't help, but I guess I understand what you're saying. But the way I see it, Ashfur was trying to hurt Brambleclaw, Squirrelflight, and Firestar. I mean, Firestar was the "idiot" who appointed Brambleclaw as deputy, even though he "clearly didn't deserve it," in Ashfur's mind. And even if that wasn't the case, I'm sure he was just so insane by then that he just kind of hated everyone for no real reason, and could probably sit and watch Firestar die and be quite pleased with himself for it. I consider him a traitor to the fullest extent. I probably didn't explain that as well as I wanted to.
 
I just read Escape from the Forest in the bookstore.
Nuuu Sasha stay with the captain person D= But then, Hawkfrost wouldn't die, and Mothwing wouldn't be as clueless. And how are they possible, Sasha was with the captain for like, six months? What's the gestation(or whatever) period of a cat? Unless the kits are really Patch's?

On the main topic,
Jayfeather is a bitch.
What does that have to do with anything Shut up, Voice of reason.
 
Dragon said:
I just read Escape from the Forest in the bookstore.
Nuuu Sasha stay with the captain person D= But then, Hawkfrost wouldn't die, and Mothwing wouldn't be as clueless. And how are they possible, Sasha was with the captain for like, six months? What's the gestation(or whatever) period of a cat? Unless the kits are really Patch's?
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I thought it was two months or something? The time between TDH and Midnight is really messed up so it doesn't matter anyway Dx

On the main topic,
Jayfeather is a bitch.
What does that have to do with anything Shut up, Voice of reason.
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... WUT
 
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