Blank Canvas Mafia Game Thread

[kyeugh]

i don't fully believe it because it's vibes-based and unfalsifiable

inb4 "it was your theory" i know.

 

[kyeugh]

I assumed Keldeoooo being mooed at and/or the shepherd were the results of the canvas

I also have a funny theory about which pieces of the puzzle were drawn by mafia but idk if I should share it because I'm not sure how much we should talk about the canvas. I expected people to be talking about it today but no one did until now so. idk?

I believe the doodlers are the vanillas of this game so they should definitely not claim because that just tells the mafia who not to target

pondering if I should just talk about my funny theory of which pieces were drawn by mafia because it does NOT include sideways perhaps Otis but maybe I'm just dumbass

i think, despite not really liking dodge's posting today very much at all, i agree that spending this power on perhaps otis (despite being a very good and blessed drawing) would be a bit of a strange move from scum. like, i think if i'm a wolf trying to convince town that i'm a villager, i would probably want to create the impression that i'm using my publicly visible power to solve? i guess maybe that's a wifom situation, but instinctively i want to read it charitably.

that leaves me feeling worse about missingno? as a result. and it's true i didn't like his vote yesterday. kinda want to see how a missingno? vote feels?

 

[Butterfree]

Hmmmm. I don't see much reason to doubt Dodge's claim per se, but as others have said, that's probably not alignment-indicative one way or the other. I'm trying to decide if I think the shitpost nature of the claimed drawing is. It seems highly doubtful Dodge would lie about which drawing he's responsible for, which'd at the very least be extremely risky. (Does anyone think they know what mewtini would have drawn in that canvas, incidentally? I'm not super familiar.)

 

[Eifie]

I assumed Keldeoooo being mooed at and/or the shepherd were the results of the canvas

I also have a funny theory about which pieces of the puzzle were drawn by mafia but idk if I should share it because I'm not sure how much we should talk about the canvas. I expected people to be talking about it today but no one did until now so. idk?

I believe the doodlers are the vanillas of this game so they should definitely not claim because that just tells the mafia who not to target

pondering if I should just talk about my funny theory of which pieces were drawn by mafia because it does NOT include sideways perhaps Otis but maybe I'm just dumbass

i think, despite not really liking dodge's posting today very much at all, i agree that spending this power on perhaps otis (despite being a very good and blessed drawing) would be a bit of a strange move from scum. like, i think if i'm a wolf trying to convince town that i'm a villager, i would probably want to create the impression that i'm using my publicly visible power to solve? i guess maybe that's a wifom situation, but instinctively i want to read it charitably.

that leaves me feeling worse about missingno? as a result. and it's true i didn't like his vote yesterday. kinda want to see how a missingno? vote feels?

did you read my other post about it? do you have any thoughts on the particulars or missingno's response to me?

I think I won't be around much before the end of day because the physical form is very upset with me today. I like, dared to eat a fruit or whatever. I was planning on sciencing my vote somewhere but like... we were talking about everything being so quiet and having no resistance, and then conveniently in comes MF who wasn't here this day until now (this is not a criticism of you not being here only in relation to the silence and lack of resistance) to protect Dodge, and people start moving. I think it's also kind of funny how they are both bringing up the talking point of somehow losing on d2... it makes me not really wanna move anymore.

 

[Butterfree]

I was the Keldeo-Mawile swapper. |˶˙ᵕ˙ )ﾉﾞ I mostly wanted to get a feel about how the actions overnight might be interpreted since there are other doodlers on the canvas, and if it had the added bonus of keeping Keldeo from dying, that would be better because #bigbrain is good (unless it's evil). I wasss unfortunately not able to make edits before the EOD voting speedround so Mawile stayed Mawile, so it ended up being a misfire.

Didn't realized other people (allegedly) only got one canvas. I am an Idea Doodler as well (hi dodge), and I'm pretty sure I'm implied to have a mafia-flavored counterpart because of the name my Idea-Doodler role was given (Yang, implying a Yin). I'm wondering if that means that my counterpart has gotten two canvasses today instead of me. It would also be really funny if all the doodlers are town, and it's Actually Fine (considering mental blocks are meant to... Not... Doodle? flavor-wise anyway?) - but I doubt it, but not enough to 100% toss out the possibility.

It does make me a little squinty that all Doodlers thus far are Allegedly Town. This does make me more sus ඞ of Dodge.

Also makes it hard to tell how many Doodlers(tm) there are if the amount of canvases received are inconsistent; I only recieved one today.

Trying to wrap my head around this... So your reasoning is that on day 1, you got to make two canvases, but this day you only got one, which makes you think that you have a mafia counterpart who got only one canvas yesterday but two today?

I'm not totally convinced that it works the way you're speculating (mostly just because it seems like a chain of assumptions which is always dangerous in speculating about a custom setup), but instinctively, if this "one gets one canvas, other gets two, they alternate" dynamic between you and a counterpart is a thing, I think my first assumption would not be that your counterpart is mafia; that seems kind of swingy (and after all, yin and yang are traditionally two sides of the same coin, not good/evil or in conflict). Is your role identical to mewtini's other than the name, or is there anything else that makes you think you have a counterpart/mafia counterpart specifically?

 

[Butterfree]

Given the wagons on me and Mawile were both town (wow, I thought the Dodge wagon had also been going there but checking back it wasn't really), I definitely suspect at least some mafia members were pretty content to sit back and watch, and in that light, not hearing a lot from some of the players today is unideal. @Ever, are you around? How about @DarkAura? @xrunner48 seems to have about checked out for today with no intention of coming back, which isn't great. Hrmm.

Trying to decide how I feel about MF still pushing me. I think in the meantime I will go reread missingno? and Keldeo because my idea of playing mafia is usually just squinting at people's posts and then squinting at them some more.

 

[Ever]

Spent most of last night and today laid out from a migraine, so in the interest of time I will not be rereading the entire game as I very ambitiously claimed I would. Sorry in advance for my almost-EOD wall though.

I agree about there being at least one wolf off the main wagons (this includes possibly Ever (my townread there has cooled) on ver vanity wagon). I think at least some of the wolves were probably trying to stay away from the action and avoid having attention put on them.

Quick wording question here, what do you mean by my vanity wagon? Is it just what you said in your later response to Keldeo about being very assured, or am I missing something here...?

@Ever I'm curious if you still suspect MF, and if you'll be able to talk about why you voted her on d1 (if it's something you don't want to talk about, that's fine)

I don't mind explaining it further, but I will warn that the logic is pretty shaky. It was initially a reactionary vote for something that stuck me as "off" (the comment about night actions). After people pointed out that it was probably not a genuine blunder, I still felt like it was a weird move if it was bait of some kind. Once the threat of a random 2v2v2 passed, I didn't feel strongly enough about the other wagons to feel good about switching and was mostly hoping others had more substatial gut feelings than myself. I would say I'm still suspicious of her; I feel like the Bfree reasoning has been a miss for me both times so far, but I can't tell if I'm just not understanding or if it's genuinely weak.

In general, I'm sort of torn between suspecting more active vs. inactive players (IRL business notwithstanding). To me, purposefully trying to make as few waves as possible reads as guilty/suspicious, but ignoring players who have been steering conversation and leading the votes feels very dangerous as well. I recall someone talking on d1 about how middle-of-the-road players fall outside the realm of suspicion and are therefore more dangerous, so I guess if it wasn't Mawile or mewt who was saying that, I'd be interested to see where you fall now in terms of suspecting the "top" vs. "bottom" of the list.

I'm inclined to believe Dodge's roleclaim and drawingclaim, because it seems to risky to try to claim someone else's drawing. That said it doesn't completely absolve him of suspicion to me. In way that makes me come across very IRL-mafia-player, I just think he's been acting sort of shifty and I don't love it. In the same vein, I believe missingno?'s claim, but agree with Bfree that there seems to be a lot of speculation happening about how the drawing mechanic actually works, which doesn't sit super well with me.

Relatedly, I feel like others are getting way more out of the content of the drawing than I am. The only thing that really caught my eye is that Keldeo is on there twice, but since there's no indication of what the artists intentions for them are, I'm kind of eh about it.

 

[Ever]

Keldeo is on there three*** times, my bad.

 

[Butterfree]

Ephemera messaged me "moo" in the middle of the night last night, which I assume is because the Harvest Moon cow looks like it's talking to me in the upper left corner of the canvas? At least, no investigative action went through.

Oh yeah: does this make that the one singular night action that came out of the canvas? Very curious how the result is being determined - whole lot else to yesterday's canvas that seemingly didn't come to anything.

 

[missingno?]

I was the Keldeo-Mawile swapper. |˶˙ᵕ˙ )ﾉﾞ I mostly wanted to get a feel about how the actions overnight might be interpreted since there are other doodlers on the canvas, and if it had the added bonus of keeping Keldeo from dying, that would be better because #bigbrain is good (unless it's evil). I wasss unfortunately not able to make edits before the EOD voting speedround so Mawile stayed Mawile, so it ended up being a misfire.

Didn't realized other people (allegedly) only got one canvas. I am an Idea Doodler as well (hi dodge), and I'm pretty sure I'm implied to have a mafia-flavored counterpart because of the name my Idea-Doodler role was given (Yang, implying a Yin). I'm wondering if that means that my counterpart has gotten two canvasses today instead of me. It would also be really funny if all the doodlers are town, and it's Actually Fine (considering mental blocks are meant to... Not... Doodle? flavor-wise anyway?) - but I doubt it, but not enough to 100% toss out the possibility.

It does make me a little squinty that all Doodlers thus far are Allegedly Town. This does make me more sus ඞ of Dodge.

Also makes it hard to tell how many Doodlers(tm) there are if the amount of canvases received are inconsistent; I only recieved one today.

Trying to wrap my head around this... So your reasoning is that on day 1, you got to make two canvases, but this day you only got one, which makes you think that you have a mafia counterpart who got only one canvas yesterday but two today?

I'm not totally convinced that it works the way you're speculating (mostly just because it seems like a chain of assumptions which is always dangerous in speculating about a custom setup), but instinctively, if this "one gets one canvas, other gets two, they alternate" dynamic between you and a counterpart is a thing, I think my first assumption would not be that your counterpart is mafia; that seems kind of swingy (and after all, yin and yang are traditionally two sides of the same coin, not good/evil or in conflict). Is your role identical to mewtini's other than the name, or is there anything else that makes you think you have a counterpart/mafia counterpart specifically?

(typing this speedy-style before i gotta drive home, if there's anything that needs more explaining I'll reply once I'm home!!)

It's less reasoning, more speculation wrt my name and what my possible counterpart might have. Working under the "logic" that 'IF the doodlers aren't just all town, THEN if I have a Yin, they must be nastyyyy.' I do not have anything other than The Name to indicate that I have a counterpart, though. I don't feel as strongly about the alternating amount of canvases, but it was something I wanted to float at least. The ~counterpart theory~ couldddd be baseless, but at the very least here's the thought process behind it!

Other than my name, 'Yang,' being different from Mewtini's 'first page of a blank notebook,' there's no difference between my role and Mewtini's that I can spot.

I will say, there was a follow up message from our good host that I assume the other doodlers got, that if the host can't figure out an interpretation from the canvases, that a random night action would be made instead; so something would have happened over the night phase, but we still don't know what it is.

I have to forego my kaomoji bcs i wanna get OUTTA THE OFFICE!!!!! i'll be back in like an hour

 

[Ephemera]

I’ll be extending day by 24 hours, sorry for the short notice again ;-;

Really need to focus Outside this game today .-.

@Butterfree
@DarkAura
@Dodge
@Eifie
@Ever
@Keldeo
@kyeugh
@MF the ISOable
@missingno?
@xrunner48

 

[Butterfree]

Okay, thank you, I was just about to post that I am already falling asleep and would not survive trying to exist until EoD in an hour and a half

 

[Butterfree]

Anyway, I did manage to crawl my way back through missingno?'s ISO. Not much stuck out except his vote:

I might slide in a non-elim vote? I'm stewing a bit (and also being forced to do my job while at my job, alas, alack, and so on and so forth) & planning on popping in closer towards the end of the time we have left. Are we on 3 Mawile vs 2 Non-Elim right now?

Vote: Dodge

I believe vote totals now are 2 Dodge, 2 MF, 2 No Elimination, 1 Mawile. Now this is podracing.

Eifie, what about this most recent conversation made you uncertain about mewt? I had the opposite feeling, it's probably the trap of finding her tone good in real time but wah

...I won't deny it's awfully tempting to vote Mawile (or Butterfree) and turn it into a 2v2v2v2 roulette for the bit.

In case work doesn't slow down before I get another chance to post before EoD, I'm gonna lock in:

Vote: No Eliminate

He suggests voting no elimination (having talked about generally liking to do that) while believing this would tie the vote with Mawile, then says he's tempted to make it rand, but then ends up on no elimination, putting that in the lead at the time before peacing out. General air of being blasé about it but reluctant to get associated with an actual wagon? I'm dead tired but looking at it again is overall making me feel less good about missingno?. Not 100% on how to feel at this stage, glad for the extension so I can at least sleep on it.

 

[missingno?]

He suggests voting no elimination (having talked about generally liking to do that) while believing this would tie the vote with Mawile, then says he's tempted to make it rand, but then ends up on no elimination, putting that in the lead at the time before peacing out. General air of being blasé about it but reluctant to get associated with an actual wagon? I'm dead tired but looking at it again is overall making me feel less good about missingno?. Not 100% on how to feel at this stage, glad for the extension so I can at least sleep on it.

I kept second guessing myself and ended up going with my first impulse (i.e. no elim day 1) instead of tying myself up in knots, but tried keeping an easy breezy attitude about it ദ്ദി˶ｰ̀֊ｰ́)✧ (to questionable success but here we are)

 

[DarkAura]

Omg all good Ephemera, appreciate the heads up!! Do what you gotta do!

Any case, my missing Day 1's vote was entirely because I was busy the last 3-ish hours of the phase, where a lot of the activity seemed to have been happening, and I didn't feel confident enough in the quick skim I was able to do to be able to drop a vote and dip. I'm also not very confident on any sort of reads - which I'm aware sounds passive at best, but unless something pops up as overtly wolf to me, I just consistently find myself going "well this behavior could make sense in so-and-so context, ergo it probably does", so... welp!

To pick at something more substantial, @Dodge, can you corroborate missingno?'s claims wrt their role? Did you receive follow up messages from the host, was Otis your only piece?

@missingno?, regarding your pieces, were they meant to only feature Keldeo and Mawile? Because the stick figure doing the bus driving with the lil ">:)" is giving xrunner's avatar to me, and I wanna know if that was intentional :o

 

[missingno?]

@missingno?, regarding your pieces, were they meant to only feature Keldeo and Mawile? Because the stick figure doing the bus driving with the lil ">:)" is giving xrunner's avatar to me, and I wanna know if that was intentional :o

OH YES that's sposed to be xrunner48 ദ്ദി´ ˘ `)

I interpreted the 'X does Y to Z' verbiage as there Has to be someone Doing the action, so I didn't think just drawing Keldeo and Mawile swapping would do the trick and that I would have to draw Someone be the person committing a Roguish Deed. And, honestly, stick figure seemed easiest to draw with the little arm motion I have happening in those pieces (since I got two canvases, I did a panel 1, panel 2, comic type thing) （´∇｀''） My assumption was that everyone got two canvases, so I would have to make my action sequential rather than maybe an opportunity to figure out two different actions to slap on that bad boy.

Reading this out I am starting to realize I am prone to leaps of logic. Nothing to be learned from this,

 

[Dodge]

(Sorry for the silence, I think it's been a busy couple of days for everyone, only been able to refresh once in a while to try and stay caught up)
I did in fact only get the one piece, yes. I've got nothing on missingno?'s yin and yang deal (my role doesn't say anything of the sort), but I did get the follow-up errata message about the canvas having a random effect if the host couldn't interpret anything.

 

[missingno?]

(Sorry for the silence, I think it's been a busy couple of days for everyone, only been able to refresh once in a while to try and stay caught up)
I did in fact only get the one piece, yes. I've got nothing on missingno?'s yin and yang deal (my role doesn't say anything of the sort), but I did get the follow-up errata message about the canvas having a random effect if the host couldn't interpret anything.

Do you have a name in front of "Idea Doodler"?
Before the role itself, it's got a little extra descriptor; mewtini's is "first page of a blank notebook" and a little flavortext under as well.

(My flavortext says 'from yinyang' as part of it, which is also why I think there's a yin)

 

[Dodge]

I am an "artist's vision", like a photo zoomed in way too close on someone's eyes
(By "nothing of the sort" I meant I'm not the yin, sorry)

 

[Eifie]

Spent most of last night and today laid out from a migraine, so in the interest of time I will not be rereading the entire game as I very ambitiously claimed I would. Sorry in advance for my almost-EOD wall though.

I agree about there being at least one wolf off the main wagons (this includes possibly Ever (my townread there has cooled) on ver vanity wagon). I think at least some of the wolves were probably trying to stay away from the action and avoid having attention put on them.

Quick wording question here, what do you mean by my vanity wagon? Is it just what you said in your later response to Keldeo about being very assured, or am I missing something here...?

ah my bad, I've been avoiding using jargon but I slipped up. a vanity wagon is just kind of when someone sits on their own one-vote wagon apart from the main wagons.