Blank Canvas Mafia Game Thread

[Keldeo]

Yeah, my bad, haven't been talking much lol

It's okay! But you've been reading along, yeah?

I'm curious for what you think of MF now, of Ever's vote on MF, and of Butterfree.

 

[Keldeo]

honestly it's kind of bizarre to me how easily everyone is putting mewtini as town because I don't really see it? I don't really have any read on her. like I see the example Butterfree posted for example about a thought she liked and I just don't get it idk man sorry. I don't really know how to read mewtini either. I feel like maybe there's some sort of ~thread consensus~ opinion I should take from this or something but I don't believe in that kind of thing... unless I should... but...

Hmm, thanks - if it helps, I asked because I also have uncertain feelings on mewt, and I don't think that three leans is consensus. I think there is a reasonable interpretation of Butterfree's quote example that's like, she was piggybacking on town to give herself cover for thoughts she should have had/expressed as town but didn't (this is why I think MF is more likely town if she's mafia) but I don't think it's that alignment-indicative in itself.

 

[Dodge]

Yeah, my bad, haven't been talking much lol

It's okay! But you've been reading along, yeah?

I'm curious for what you think of MF now, of Ever's vote on MF, and of Butterfree.

I've been trying to keep up, yeah!
On Ever's vote: I'm actually curious to hear ya'll reasons for seeing ver as town, because I felt like "sudden vote for someone giving the reasoning as just them having a night action" seemed a bit mafia-y?
And by this I don't mean that I think ya'll are wrong, just that I'm missing something and I wanna learn to town good lol

On MF: I'm not sure what to think? My gut says they're behaving kinda sus, but like someone else (I think Butterfree?) said, asking about missing a night action sounds more like trying to bait mafia shots than blundering their own mafiadom. In any other game, I would actually soft suspect alien, but third party wincons aren't a thing, right? So I'm left with a flat and useless IDK

On Butterfree: I think she sounds kinda consistent with how she acted last game, and she was town there. I read older games a long time ago, but don't remember how anyone acted as town vs as mafia, so I'm just going off the recent ones. But yeah, I soft trust her, a bit, sorta?

 

[Mawile]

I think it's been notably focused on whether/why it is suspected

to be fair i don't have any reads on anyone and i am trying to provide something of Value

mostly I've thought of it possibly being out of some sense, however accurate, that you're the kind of player who only locks in if they're under pressure

yea i either lock in or i tinfoil hat myself so hard that i confuse everyone and make the game harder

Mawile's initial nonreaction I find innocuous, the no elimination vote on the basis of not wanting to get hammered I feel a bit stranger about because it vaguely suggests being antsier about getting voted out than I'd quite have expected from town with some experience? Like, the day is 72 hours and probably people aren't about to just shrug and let someone get eliminated off one random vote given at the start, or randomly pile on that person just because they're technically in the lead, so the countervote feels defensive/paranoid.

this isn't really in line with how i interpreted mawile's reaction (i thought he had a more substantial one) but now i'm wondering if i'm off?

I think at first Mawile basically did nothing and was like I am chill, then the no elim vote came later

to clarify my thought process here was as follows:
- i am voted almost immediately
- i am chill about it and don't really care much because i am Always Suspicious In Every Game, Ever
- a while passes
- i "realize" that 72 hours is "not a lot of time" (this is incorrect thinking)
- i have been watching a nonzero amount of among us content in 2025 in which there are situations where one person votes and everyone else forgets to and that person gets thrown out the airlock
- Paranoia:tm: but i don't want to vote for anyone because i do not want to be too aggressive but at least if i place a vote it will be a coinflip if everyone else somehow forgets to vote?
- i impulse post a no elimination vote

 

[Mawile]

also speaking of me tinfoil hatting, the tinfoil hatting has already begun because i reread the intro post and noticed that it mentions that "roles can be claimed at your own risk" and now i have been thinking that there's some night action or whatever that makes people explode if you know their role

 

[mewtini]

hm

ok yeah i don't really think this was AI for mawile

On Ever's vote: I'm actually curious to hear ya'll reasons for seeing ver as town, because I felt like "sudden vote for someone giving the reasoning as just them having a night action" seemed a bit mafia-y?

this was my immediate feeling too, but i don't really know why. i'm tempted to sheep keldeif on this because it does make sense and i think that ever coming from a real-time mafia background kind of explains ver eagerness to quickvote, maybe?

 

[mewtini]

it does make sense

their ever TR, i mean

 

[Butterfree]

Butterfree, I have two questions:
- What precisely makes you find me towny so far?
- Could I ask you to place a vote after you're done rereading?

I haven't reread your posts yet, but your playstyle just reads very towny to my brain - lot of good meaningful probing questions and observations that really feel like you're paying close attention and working to stimulate real substantial discussion and get good reads on everyone. That's not impossible to fake, and I know you can, but it's the kind of very substantial and concrete that I'm generally inclined to trust in mafia. If I did not have meta wariness I would 100% have a strong townread on you.

Definitely planning to place a vote once I have made my way through everyone who's been posting.

 

[Eifie]

about Ever's vote - first of all I should say I'm reasonably confident I know ver thought process behind the vote (because I had roughly the same thought) and I think that thought process is towny. I cannot (well, will not) elaborate on that right now.

but the main thing is I just love how ve just came in and dropped that vote in a way that felt like "I GOTTEM MAN". it was very like, gutsy and matching to the beat of ver own drum kind of thing and I am always a sucker for that. it was also something likely to get ver a lot of attention as it's the first vote based on an actual suspicion all game, and based on something no one had been talking about before.

obviously i'm not saying like locktown never rescinding but on a d1 where I've been struggling to get any solid feeling about anything, yeah, I'm happy to slap a town label on that.

(sorry if my grammar is wrong, I wasn't sure where to use vier)

 

[Keldeo]

smh Eifie I was just about to ask mewtini to explain what she thought you/we meant.

 

[missingno?]

Newbie/newcomer question: I'm curious about the reasoning for voting someone out on a 'no-prior-murder' Day One, if ya'll (whomever feels like answering) wouldn't mind explaining thought processes?

To clarify, my typical impulse is to skip/abstain if there's a Day One with no murder (or other roles going off) and plenty of players (it's different to me if it's a smaller, quick & dirty game). I tend to feel like there's not enough info to vote someone out. Is it a tactical thing or is it easier to tell based on past games and experiences with one another?

 

[mewtini]

smh Eifie I was just about to ask mewtini to explain what she thought you/we meant.

L

this doesn't help you now but what eifie said basically was my understanding

To clarify, my typical impulse is to skip/abstain if there's a Day One with no murder (or other roles going off) and plenty of players (it's different to me if it's a smaller, quick & dirty game). I tend to feel like there's not enough info to vote someone out. Is it a tactical thing or is it easier to tell based on past games and experiences with one another?

aiui day phases are (usually) the only times when town is able to influence a kill, meaning that it's +town to eliminate after discussion rather than wait for mafia to get a guaranteed townkill overNight

 

[missingno?]

aiui day phases are (usually) the only times when town is able to influence a kill, meaning that it's +town to eliminate after discussion rather than wait for mafia to get a guaranteed townkill overNight

AIUI?
And oohh that makes a bit more sense! I can see that.

 

[mewtini]

as i understand it

 

[Keldeo]

about Ever's vote - first of all I should say I'm reasonably confident I know ver thought process behind the vote (because I had roughly the same thought) and I think that thought process is towny. I cannot (well, will not) elaborate on that right now.

Hmm, actually I think I probably don't know what you mean (but this is not a request for anyone to elaborate) - there was a possibility I was secretly considering, but not that seriously. I thought the vote was towny for approximately the second reason described in this post - no hint of self-consciousness or "agenda"/any attempt to exert influence over the thread.

Spoiler: What do you call it when a cow keeps his ideas secret?

Mysteerious!

lot of good meaningful probing questions and observations that really feel like you're paying close attention and working to stimulate real substantial discussion and get good reads on everyone.

I guess to rephrase the question: I don't actually feel that I've been asking super probing questions yet, so I'm wondering, in what ways did you think that applied to my posting (from before you posted your wall)?

 

[Eifie]

smh Eifie I was just about to ask mewtini to explain what she thought you/we meant.

ah... my bad...

 

[Eifie]

smh Eifie I was just about to ask mewtini to explain what she thought you/we meant.

L

this doesn't help you now but what eifie said basically was my understanding

To clarify, my typical impulse is to skip/abstain if there's a Day One with no murder (or other roles going off) and plenty of players (it's different to me if it's a smaller, quick & dirty game). I tend to feel like there's not enough info to vote someone out. Is it a tactical thing or is it easier to tell based on past games and experiences with one another?

aiui day phases are (usually) the only times when town is able to influence a kill, meaning that it's +town to eliminate after discussion rather than wait for mafia to get a guaranteed townkill overNight

this, and also the earlier we have more concrete information to work off of (vote formations, but more importantly where everyone's vote was at the actual end of the day when it counts) the better imo

 

[Eifie]

also speaking of me tinfoil hatting, the tinfoil hatting has already begun because i reread the intro post and noticed that it mentions that "roles can be claimed at your own risk" and now i have been thinking that there's some night action or whatever that makes people explode if you know their role

Ephemera has played on mafia universe where anti-claim was a common mechanic in large role-heavy games, and the rules include at least one other standard thing from mafia universe games (the mafia being given safe flavour claims) so I think it's certainly possible that there is an anti-claim mechanic in this game. (anti-claim = in addition to the factional kill, the mafia can submit an unblockable kill on someone that goes through if they correctly state their role.) this is not such a large game though.

 

[Keldeo]

Hmm, I had been assuming that mafia are unlikely to have extra KP (= kill power, potential kill actions at night) because (1) the game is really small in comparison to a 50-100 player Mafia Universe shindig and (2) MYLO is specified in the OP to be when mafia = # town - 2. A theoretical 5-2 or 4-1 game would be MYLO if the mafia could kill twice at night. Does that reasoning seem unsound, like because MYLO isn't announced, correctly defining MYLO doesn't matter?

Similarly, I think it's unlikely that the mafia have daykill powers, because it would be weird if the game could become CYLO and have votes become locked in the middle of the day, when people might have already voted. inb4 I have said all this and get exploded at a critical point.

I guess the most important bit in my opinion is, I don't think possible anticlaim should deter people from claiming if they're on the chopping block. And it's also important to try to conceal whether or not you are vanilla/have a role/have a night action - as much as I'd like this to be a game where we all have roles like in early 2010s TCoDfia, I doubt it, as it's quite common to have vanillas in small games on Mafia Universe. (This is all probably stating the obvious, sorry.)

 

[Keldeo]

Actually, I guess the most common form of a mafia daykill, the "bomber" role that kills themself and another person, can't ever make a non-CYLO game become CYLO, so I take back the second paragraph.