Cats (2019) Mafia

[mewtini]

so excited for @Keldeo to claim so i can decide who i'm voting on first

 

[Trebek]

i’m gonna be loltown if this crashes and burns but tbh this whole interaction feels a little too contradictory/abrasive for someone who was in towncore for a good portion of the game

kyeugh

i’m super tempted to hop in, but i won’t until keldeo appears and starts speaking
i mean, if i don’t like his words i will not hop in, but

for the record i totally am vibing with the keldeo.wav vote as well, but i want to have both on the table for people rereading to see

 

[Trebek]

i was not scumreading you more than anyone else, but the fact that you seem very conscious of my singular opinion and decided to express that by hyperfocusing on a random aspect of my role is getting me there

what did you mean when you put me at 75% scum then? i asked about that earlier and never saw a response

 

[kyeugh]

i was not scumreading you more than anyone else, but the fact that you seem very conscious of my singular opinion and decided to express that by hyperfocusing on a random aspect of my role is getting me there

what did you mean when you put me at 75% scum then? i asked about that earlier and never saw a response

i already made a post explaining who i believe is probably scum, and you were on that list with the rest of the ?s. therefore you are probably scum by process of elimination. i don’t think it’s that weird

 

[Trebek]

i was not scumreading you more than anyone else, but the fact that you seem very conscious of my singular opinion and decided to express that by hyperfocusing on a random aspect of my role is getting me there

what did you mean when you put me at 75% scum then? i asked about that earlier and never saw a response

i already made a post explaining who i believe is probably scum, and you were on that list with the rest of the ?s. therefore you are probably scum by process of elimination. i don’t think it’s that weird

i was the only one singled out from the ?s
that’s why i’m confused

 

[rari_teh]

i was not scumreading you more than anyone else, but the fact that you seem very conscious of my singular opinion and decided to express that by hyperfocusing on a random aspect of my role is getting me there

what did you mean when you put me at 75% scum then? i asked about that earlier and never saw a response

i already made a post explaining who i believe is probably scum, and you were on that list with the rest of the ?s. therefore you are probably scum by process of elimination. i don’t think it’s that weird

yeah, but you said he is more likely to be scum than the others. why?

 

[kyeugh]

i was not scumreading you more than anyone else, but the fact that you seem very conscious of my singular opinion and decided to express that by hyperfocusing on a random aspect of my role is getting me there

what did you mean when you put me at 75% scum then? i asked about that earlier and never saw a response

i already made a post explaining who i believe is probably scum, and you were on that list with the rest of the ?s. therefore you are probably scum by process of elimination. i don’t think it’s that weird

yeah, but you said he is more likely to be scum than the others. why?

no, i didn’t. i only mentioned trebek by name because he was someone i had not mentioned as being potential mafia before, and had only just gotten to the point of thinking he was more likely than not to be scum, while everyone else i’ve been pretty iffy on for the entire game.

 

[mewtini]

no, i didn’t. i only mentioned trebek by name because he was someone i had not mentioned as being potential mafia before, and had only just gotten to the point of thinking he was more likely than not to be scum, while everyone else i’ve been pretty iffy on for the entire game.

fair, i don't think it's weird either for trebek to have mentioned it since you hadn't responded to him when he'd asked specifically if it was by process of elimination

 

[Trebek]

to reiterate the question i asked before then: was there a specific reason that you changed your mind on me being scum?

 

[rari_teh]

i was not scumreading you more than anyone else, but the fact that you seem very conscious of my singular opinion and decided to express that by hyperfocusing on a random aspect of my role is getting me there

what did you mean when you put me at 75% scum then? i asked about that earlier and never saw a response

i already made a post explaining who i believe is probably scum, and you were on that list with the rest of the ?s. therefore you are probably scum by process of elimination. i don’t think it’s that weird

yeah, but you said he is more likely to be scum than the others. why?

no, i didn’t. i only mentioned trebek by name because he was someone i had not mentioned as being potential mafia before, and had only just gotten to the point of thinking he was more likely than not to be scum, while everyone else i’ve been pretty iffy on for the entire game.

welp, just did an ISO and you’re right. sorry about that one :c

 

[kyeugh]

regardless of whether i can actually submit my action during the day or i’m just misreading my role pm, the power still activates overnight, so it makes sense to assume it’s blocked by roleblockers the night it fires, regardless of when i send jack the specific message designating my target. and again, this is assuming i didn’t misread it, which i’m increasingly convinced i did, because the ability to submit a power like this during the day seems kind of useless and arbitrary when it activates overnight anyway.

i am only frustrated because i have acted in a way that i feel makes sense, and having some trivial aspect of my play that i have pretty much not put that much thought into—and am still certain has no bearing on the actual execution of the power at all—pulled out as some kind of gotcha because it doesn’t align with how tvt functioned (?) is a bit aggravating. exaggerating a trivial detail like this is the exact kind of thing mafia would do, and the fact that trebek is making his argument against me because he felt threatened by me mentioning him by name exactly once is setting off all kinds of alarm bells—not to mention the fact that he felt the need to point out that he’s ok with the keldeo wagon. (i am not as pinged by rari because it feels much, much less reactionary from them.)

... even so, i don’t really see any reason we should lynch anyone other than keldeo today, unless he comes in and makes some mind-blowing case for his innocence.

to reiterate the question i asked before then: was there a specific reason that you changed your mind on me being scum?

yes, because a bunch of people died and flipped town last night and mp7 is now clear, so the group of people who could be scum is far smaller, and you’re in it. previously you were ranking above tofu and probably herbe for me.

 

[Trebek]

to reiterate the question i asked before then: was there a specific reason that you changed your mind on me being scum?

yes, because a bunch of people died and flipped town last night and mp7 is now clear, so the group of people who could be scum is far smaller, and you’re in it. previously you were ranking above tofu and probably herbe for me.

ok, that makes perfect sense-thanks!

although tbh, idk how else i was supposed to react in that situation: my PoE has 4 “likely mafia” in it and then 1 person who has to come from towncore, and then the person who i suspect most from towncore drops a FoS on me out of the blue without explaining it until much later

it still seems to me like a mafia who’s willing to bus 4 members as long as it solidifies the 5th ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[rari_teh]

regardless of whether i can actually submit my action during the day or i’m just misreading my role pm, the power still activates overnight

uuh what? i see that you mean that the person would rise from the dead the Day after, but – correct me if i’m wrong – if you can submit an action during the Day, for all intents and purposes it happened during the Day and any subsequent blockings won’t affect it, right?

 

[Trebek]

not to mention the fact that he felt the need to point out that he’s ok with the keldeo wagon.

i might just be ignorant on this front, but why does this set off alarm bells? it’s not like there’s only 1 mafia left to find

 

[rari_teh]

it still seems to me like a mafia who’s willing to bus 4 members as long as it solidifies the 5th ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

especially considering that if we mislynch today and the vig either does nothing or misfires, mafia will win :(

 

[mewtini]

pulled out as some kind of gotcha because it doesn’t align with how tvt functioned (?) is a bit aggravating.

... i still think this is a mischaracterization, though?

pointing out a possible mechanical inconsistency isn't an arbitrary gotcha! moment, since (i think) all we know/can assume is that the applicable roleblock would be the roleblock from last night, making it rightfully confusing that you mentioned thinking about using your power now despite having just had it blocked - unless you were thinking that the roleblock mechanics would allow you to use it now, even ahead of any roleblock that would happen tonight (?).

aiui the optimal strategy would be to revive a useful town PR as soon as you felt able and as soon as it seemed like it was a safe time to (which yesterDay would have been since we thought there was a strong possibility that rnp was the mafia roleblocker). barring something else (hoping to wait until someone else's death to revive them, ... i can't really think of anything else actually) i'm not sure why submitting it during a non-roleblocked time would be less than ideal.

i'm actually interested in keldeo's claim because, if it ends up the case that you and keldeo are w/w, he has a weaker role than you (or he's vanilla) since under that assumption you've been pushing to bus him for a bit now

 

[kyeugh]

regardless of whether i can actually submit my action during the day or i’m just misreading my role pm, the power still activates overnight

uuh what? i see that you mean that the person would rise from the dead the Day after, but – correct me if i’m wrong – if you can submit an action during the Day, for all intents and purposes it happened during the Day and any subsequent blockings won’t affect it, right?

no, i would not assume this at all. it is not an action that occurs during the day, otherwise the player would spring up immediately. if i can indeed submit it during the day, i would assume it could be blocked any time between then and when the revival actually occurs—so in essence, blockable overnight.

 

[mewtini]

i got slightly ninja'd by mech talk tbh so sorry about that

 

[rari_teh]

regardless of whether i can actually submit my action during the day or i’m just misreading my role pm, the power still activates overnight

uuh what? i see that you mean that the person would rise from the dead the Day after, but – correct me if i’m wrong – if you can submit an action during the Day, for all intents and purposes it happened during the Day and any subsequent blockings won’t affect it, right?

no, i would not assume this at all. it is not an action that occurs during the day, otherwise the player would spring up immediately. if i can indeed submit it during the day, i would assume it could be blocked any time between then and when the revival actually occurs—so in essence, blockable overnight.

so you’re saying that you think that sending your action during the Day would be tantamount to queuing you Night action in advance – which is always a valid move for when the player knows they won’t be able to log in during the Night? then i don’t see how “you can send in your action whenever” and “you can only send in your action during the Night” are any different

 

[kyeugh]

regardless of whether i can actually submit my action during the day or i’m just misreading my role pm, the power still activates overnight

uuh what? i see that you mean that the person would rise from the dead the Day after, but – correct me if i’m wrong – if you can submit an action during the Day, for all intents and purposes it happened during the Day and any subsequent blockings won’t affect it, right?

no, i would not assume this at all. it is not an action that occurs during the day, otherwise the player would spring up immediately. if i can indeed submit it during the day, i would assume it could be blocked any time between then and when the revival actually occurs—so in essence, blockable overnight.

so you’re saying that you think that sending your action during the Day would be tantamount to queuing you Night action in advance – which is always a valid move for when the player knows they won’t be able to log in during the Night? then i don’t see how “you can send in your action whenever” and “you can only send in your action during the Night” are any different

me either, this is what i’ve been saying this entire time over and over.