Cats (2019) Mafia

[rari_teh]

regardless of whether i can actually submit my action during the day or i’m just misreading my role pm, the power still activates overnight

uuh what? i see that you mean that the person would rise from the dead the Day after, but – correct me if i’m wrong – if you can submit an action during the Day, for all intents and purposes it happened during the Day and any subsequent blockings won’t affect it, right?

no, i would not assume this at all. it is not an action that occurs during the day, otherwise the player would spring up immediately. if i can indeed submit it during the day, i would assume it could be blocked any time between then and when the revival actually occurs—so in essence, blockable overnight.

so you’re saying that you think that sending your action during the Day would be tantamount to queuing you Night action in advance – which is always a valid move for when the player knows they won’t be able to log in during the Night? then i don’t see how “you can send in your action whenever” and “you can only send in your action during the Night” are any different

me either, this is what i’ve been saying this entire time over and over.

then – pardon the question – why even point out that you could send your action whenever to begin with if such detail would be completely pointless?

 

[Trebek]

ok i’m probably gonna back off a bit on this now bc obv i’m biased since i know my claim is legit lmao

but i would be interested in other people’s thoughts on all this once they catch up!

 

[rari_teh]

i am especially interested to hear keldeo’s words
not only about this clusterfuck, but about things in general and most importantly his cat identity

 

[kyeugh]

regardless of whether i can actually submit my action during the day or i’m just misreading my role pm, the power still activates overnight

uuh what? i see that you mean that the person would rise from the dead the Day after, but – correct me if i’m wrong – if you can submit an action during the Day, for all intents and purposes it happened during the Day and any subsequent blockings won’t affect it, right?

no, i would not assume this at all. it is not an action that occurs during the day, otherwise the player would spring up immediately. if i can indeed submit it during the day, i would assume it could be blocked any time between then and when the revival actually occurs—so in essence, blockable overnight.

so you’re saying that you think that sending your action during the Day would be tantamount to queuing you Night action in advance – which is always a valid move for when the player knows they won’t be able to log in during the Night? then i don’t see how “you can send in your action whenever” and “you can only send in your action during the Night” are any different

me either, this is what i’ve been saying this entire time over and over.

then – pardon the question – why even point out that you could send your action whenever to begin with if such detail would be completely pointless?

because it was a thought i had in response to another post, and there was no particular reason not to say it. i’m not really holding myself back from posting stuff if it’s not Super Useful, that’s never been my approach.

 

[rari_teh]

regardless of whether i can actually submit my action during the day or i’m just misreading my role pm, the power still activates overnight

uuh what? i see that you mean that the person would rise from the dead the Day after, but – correct me if i’m wrong – if you can submit an action during the Day, for all intents and purposes it happened during the Day and any subsequent blockings won’t affect it, right?

no, i would not assume this at all. it is not an action that occurs during the day, otherwise the player would spring up immediately. if i can indeed submit it during the day, i would assume it could be blocked any time between then and when the revival actually occurs—so in essence, blockable overnight.

so you’re saying that you think that sending your action during the Day would be tantamount to queuing you Night action in advance – which is always a valid move for when the player knows they won’t be able to log in during the Night? then i don’t see how “you can send in your action whenever” and “you can only send in your action during the Night” are any different

me either, this is what i’ve been saying this entire time over and over.

then – pardon the question – why even point out that you could send your action whenever to begin with if such detail would be completely pointless?

because it was a thought i had in response to another post, and there was no particular reason not to say it. i’m not really holding myself back from posting stuff if it’s not Super Useful, that’s never been my approach.

mm. i still think that this all is at best for your image, but i’ll let it slide for the moment bc i’m more interested in figuring keldeo out at this point

 

[kyeugh]

not to mention the fact that he felt the need to point out that he’s ok with the keldeo wagon.

i might just be ignorant on this front, but why does this set off alarm bells? it’s not like there’s only 1 mafia left to find

because it could be a bus for precisely that reason, and i don’t think anyone would actually assume your vote on me was specifically to shield keldeo; it seems more likely you’d think that of your own vote if that’s what it was, and assume others might come to the same conclusion because it’s obvious to you.

although tbh, idk how else i was supposed to react in that situation: my PoE has 4 “likely mafia” in it and then 1 person who has to come from towncore, and then the person who i suspect most from towncore drops a FoS on me out of the blue without explaining it until much later

while i agree that it’s not an absurd read, i find it really weird that you say you don’t know how else you would react in that situation, and then in the same breath say that my read was “out of the blue without explaining.” the reasoning in both cases is implicit, and pretty much identical: adjusting reads to suit new mechanical (and public) information.

 

[Trebek]

not to mention the fact that he felt the need to point out that he’s ok with the keldeo wagon.

i might just be ignorant on this front, but why does this set off alarm bells? it’s not like there’s only 1 mafia left to find

because it could be a bus for precisely that reason, and i don’t think anyone would actually assume your vote on me was specifically to shield keldeo; it seems more likely you’d think that of your own vote if that’s what it was, and assume others might come to the same conclusion because it’s obvious to you.

although tbh, idk how else i was supposed to react in that situation: my PoE has 4 “likely mafia” in it and then 1 person who has to come from towncore, and then the person who i suspect most from towncore drops a FoS on me out of the blue without explaining it until much later

while i agree that it’s not an absurd read, i find it really weird that you say you don’t know how else you would react in that situation, and then in the same breath say that my read was “out of the blue without explaining.” the reasoning in both cases is implicit, and pretty much identical: adjusting reads to suit new mechanical (and public) information.

in re: the first thing - i didn’t actually think about that, so it’s good to know that that’s how other people could see it

the second thing - my response to the situation was not that you made that read about me: i understood that it was a PoE. my response was based on how you went about it

 

[kyeugh]

are you saying that you always understood where my read on you was coming from, and were just responding to the fact that i mentioned you as potential scum at all?

 

[Trebek]

are you saying that you always understood where my read on you was coming from, and were just responding to the fact that i mentioned you as potential scum at all?

i can understand that your PoE ends up with me on the bottom. what flagged me is that you mentioned my name specifically, with no mention of “oh i’m mentioning trebek now that other people are dead”, and then ignored me asking if there were any other reasons behind your decision

 

[mewtini]

i don’t think anyone would actually assume your vote on me was specifically to shield keldeo; it seems more likely you’d think that of your own vote if that’s what it was

uh ... but saying "oh, i could go with keldeo, but i want people to see this" in response to rari's "i'm deciding between these two wagons" doesn't seem that weird to me? i think this is a skewed take and is also kind of what most of us, including you, have been doing when keldeo has been presented as the 'safe' wagon for a bit of time now

 

[kyeugh]

i don’t think anyone would actually assume your vote on me was specifically to shield keldeo; it seems more likely you’d think that of your own vote if that’s what it was

uh ... but saying "oh, i could go with keldeo, but i want people to see this" in response to rari's "i'm deciding between these two wagons" doesn't seem that weird to me? i think this is a skewed take and is also kind of what most of us, including you, have been doing when keldeo has been presented as the 'safe' wagon for a bit of time now

i’m not really sure how these are the same thing at all. one is saying that keldeo is the best wagon up front and explicitly, the other is like, feeling the need to remind the thread for posterity that you’re not anti-anti-keldeo because someone else mentioned that they want to put their vote there.

 

[Trebek]

i don’t think anyone would actually assume your vote on me was specifically to shield keldeo; it seems more likely you’d think that of your own vote if that’s what it was

uh ... but saying "oh, i could go with keldeo, but i want people to see this" in response to rari's "i'm deciding between these two wagons" doesn't seem that weird to me? i think this is a skewed take and is also kind of what most of us, including you, have been doing when keldeo has been presented as the 'safe' wagon for a bit of time now

i’m not really sure how these are the same thing at all. one is saying that keldeo is the best wagon up front and explicitly, the other is like, feeling the need to remind the thread for posterity that you’re not anti-anti-keldeo because someone else mentioned that they want to put their vote there.

it’s not that someone else mentioned that there vote was there lmao

it’s because my vote was on him when i moved to you

 

[kyeugh]

i don’t think anyone would actually assume your vote on me was specifically to shield keldeo; it seems more likely you’d think that of your own vote if that’s what it was

uh ... but saying "oh, i could go with keldeo, but i want people to see this" in response to rari's "i'm deciding between these two wagons" doesn't seem that weird to me? i think this is a skewed take and is also kind of what most of us, including you, have been doing when keldeo has been presented as the 'safe' wagon for a bit of time now

i’m not really sure how these are the same thing at all. one is saying that keldeo is the best wagon up front and explicitly, the other is like, feeling the need to remind the thread for posterity that you’re not anti-anti-keldeo because someone else mentioned that they want to put their vote there.

it’s not that someone else mentioned that there vote was there lmao

it’s because my vote was on him when i moved to you

that’s exactly why it’s extraneous to re-mention for everyone that you’re not against the keldeo wagon, and why i’m making this read, and why am saying all this stuff at all.

i’m kind of weary of overexplaining everything and having those explanations repeatedly misinterpreted ad infinitum tbh. i’m going to log off the thread for probably like a day, ping me if you need something answered and i’ll go back and look at it ig.

 

[Trebek]

i don’t think anyone would actually assume your vote on me was specifically to shield keldeo; it seems more likely you’d think that of your own vote if that’s what it was

uh ... but saying "oh, i could go with keldeo, but i want people to see this" in response to rari's "i'm deciding between these two wagons" doesn't seem that weird to me? i think this is a skewed take and is also kind of what most of us, including you, have been doing when keldeo has been presented as the 'safe' wagon for a bit of time now

i’m not really sure how these are the same thing at all. one is saying that keldeo is the best wagon up front and explicitly, the other is like, feeling the need to remind the thread for posterity that you’re not anti-anti-keldeo because someone else mentioned that they want to put their vote there.

it’s not that someone else mentioned that there vote was there lmao

it’s because my vote was on him when i moved to you

that’s exactly why it’s extraneous to re-mention for everyone that you’re not against the keldeo wagon, and why i’m making this read, and why am saying all this stuff at all.

i’m kind of weary of overexplaining everything and having those explanations repeatedly misinterpreted ad infinitum tbh. i’m going to log off the thread for probably like a day, ping me if you need something answered and i’ll go back and look at it ig.

i mean you said that you assumed i reiterated it “because someone else mentioned that they want to put their vote there” so i just wanted to clarify

 

[kyeugh]

i’m kind of weary of overexplaining everything and having those explanations repeatedly misinterpreted ad infinitum tbh. i’m going to log off the thread for probably like a day, ping me if you need something answered and i’ll go back and look at it ig.

sorry if this seems snippy btw; i know you guys are genuinely confused and whatnot, and i am partly to blame for that, but i did genuinely say the same thing

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i think functionally it’s not really “using it during the day” already since it activates overnight no matter what. i was sorta just interpreting it as, like, i can submit during the day and then it still goes through that night if i get lynched or something?

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it’s not wasted time because it’s not really time sensitive as long as i don’t die

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my response is “i didn’t think that much about it because it has literally no impact on the execution of the power,”

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yes, and i’m explaining that i did not consider the exact time that i submitted my action to be relevant to whether or not it got blocked.

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regardless of whether i can actually submit my action during the day or i’m just misreading my role pm, the power still activates overnight, so it makes sense to assume it’s blocked by roleblockers the night it fires, regardless of when i send jack the specific message designating my target.

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it is not an action that occurs during the day, otherwise the player would spring up immediately. if i can indeed submit it during the day, i would assume it could be blocked any time between then and when the revival actually occurs—so in essence, blockable overnight.

before it finally sunk in, which... again i’m genuinely not blaming anyone and i apologize if i hurt any feelings or irritated anyone, but it’s still an exasperating/draining place to be in from my pov, which is why i just need to not look at the thread for a bit, heh.

 

[kyeugh]

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lolskylar

 

[kyeugh]

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lolskylar

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[mewtini]

still kind of overly stressed out from yesterday so i'll probably be spotty for the next while still until i bother making a legitimate case, but i'm just making a post to say where my head is at: i think the team is skylar/keldeo/mist/blu/koko and i'm just going to talk about my gut feelings for the time being. sorry that this isn't cross-referenced or anything, but i realized that i probably won't post all day unless i just say this right now. [a sidenote is that it is still technically possible for VM to be in the scumteam in the event that he's actually just claiming tofu's kills or something; on the other hand i kind of think he's just town ... ? unsure, haven't really looked at his interactions too much. something to look out for is that him getting roleblocked toNight could be an attempt to frame him on that basis, especially now that it's been brought up a few times - me now, skylar previously in 3993.]

i'm going to stand by my villa reads on rari and trebek until they flip, and maybe it's unfortunate but i really really believe in both of them for the reasons that i've already discussed: trebek's ultracool/herbe vote behavior just makes no sense otherwise, he's been genuinely solvy after his quiet earlygame in a way that shows towniness to me, and my irl/personality read on him makes me even more sure of this. i've been talking to rari like 24/7 whenever we've been neighbored and she and i have tinfoiled about every possible pairing and team that there is and her game here is identical to her game in tvt except for the fact that she's been acting in alignment with me/quieter inthread because of our communications.

from the scuffle last night, rari/skylar and trebek/skylar are never w/w pairs, and i maintain now that there was something not right with skylar's response to trebek's (reasonable) push.

if keldeo/skylar are indeed co-wolves like i think they are, there's no way that skylar isn't the one with the PR (or, at the very least, the better PR) given how she's been gently pushing on keldeo all game, and is now trying to gain towncred from sending keldeo to the basement. (i know that i'm doing a 180, but given that i've known about her necromancer claim since d3, i was trying to avoid having her to claim just in case she was telling the truth; in that scenario, she almost certainly wouldn't get to use her power if it had come to that).

i'm going to go with kyeugh tbh, sorry buddy. keldeo is probably also a wolf, but i'm guessing that dispatching skylar is actually probably more ideal if my theory is right. i'll come back later to re-evaluate but i figured it'd be better to get this out there/break the silence a bit.

 

[mewtini]

i don't really recall if i'd already voted but it made for a good end-of-post bit so w/e tbh.

 

[mewtini]

i'm going to go with kyeugh tbh, sorry buddy. keldeo is probably also a wolf, but i'm guessing that dispatching skylar is actually probably more ideal if my theory is right. i'll come back later to re-evaluate but i figured it'd be better to get this out there/break the silence a bit.

i guess we're in MyLo so the "safe" lynch is the more ideal one, but i also am not entirely convinced that w!keldeo is any more guaranteed or failsafe than w!skylar (aside from me having covered for her for the past while). ahem. and now i will stop talking and pretend that this game doesn't exist for the next few hours -