Cats (2019) Mafia

[mewtini]

@Keldeo we need you bro ...
glad for bfree tag tbh

 

[mewtini]

herbe can you talk about your butterfree read? i townlean her but am wary of TRing outright since she hasnt posted much

 

[Herbe]

herbe can you talk about your butterfree read? i townlean her but am wary of TRing outright since she hasnt posted much

i mean she's also my n1 hypocop clear but she doesn't seem agendaed, and her EoD posting stood out to me as seeming genuinely towny. if she weren't my n1 hypocop I'd just townlean but I'm choosing to be confident on this one (and you mewt!)

 

[mewtini]

forgot you copchecked, sorry! i agree

 

[Trebek]

So i havent posted in a while and have been going back and rereading, most of my thoughts are still jumbled but i wanted to quickly give my 2 cents on the kyeugh discussion before i go and write other things.

Frankly, i don't really see the point of directly comparing her play this game with her play last game, at least in a vacuum (i was guilty of doing this read D1, but after thinking about it i dont really like the way i was thinking about it)

if kyeugh is town, she would most likely want to switch things up, in order to avoid the sentiment of "well she was scum last game and is playing the exact same way now!" but w!kyeugh would likely think the exact same thing.

I'm not saying that we can't derive reads from her style, but i think a direct comparison to tvt would be a red herring.

Also, this was already discussed but i want to second the notion that the statistical analysis of the voting shouldnt imply anything, and frankly idk how i feel about it even being brought up in the first place (but im not going to spin that into a scumread just yet, bc i can understand the sentiment)

 

[mewtini]

i don't think your meta would do a 180 esp if you're someone who's played a fair number of games tbh. i think metagame matters some amount, but that's opinion; i'm actually increasingly bothered by the lack of resistance that i keep bringing up

 

[Trebek]

esp if you're someone who's played a fair number of games tbh

when writing the post i forgot that more than 2 mafia games existed in the universe. whoops.

although tbh, im not sure what would inspire w!kyeugh to support the killing of someone she had voted for, because of this exact dialogue

 

[kyeugh]

if kyeugh is town, she would most likely want to switch things up, in order to avoid the sentiment of "well she was scum last game and is playing the exact same way now!" but w!kyeugh would likely think the exact same thing.

fwiw i’m not really making any effort to play differently. i think those differences just arise naturally bc as wolf i’m trying to exert control over the situation, and could do so thanks to my (woefully incomplete) alignment knowledge. made it a lot easier to confidently form “reads” and whatnot. whereas here i’m just kind of vibing and rolling with shit as it comes, i guess not really trying quite as hard? which of course opens me up to fucking around a bit more because i’m not really trying to achieve or orchestrate anything, i’m just posting my brain vomit. obviously you can take that or leave it since it’s a bit wifomy but basically i’m not really putting that much thought into how i appear this game bc idrc. i don’t have to lead

 

[kyeugh]

i don’t have to lead

not implying anything about last game here, mostly just that i don’t have to take as active or conscientious or strictly agendaed a role here

 

[mewtini]

(woefully incomplete)

l o l

 

[kyeugh]

i don't think your meta would do a 180 esp if you're someone who's played a fair number of games tbh. i think metagame matters some amount, but that's opinion; i'm actually increasingly bothered by the lack of resistance that i keep bringing up

tbf i don’t think there hasn’t been resistance, obv you/rari are pushing back and bfree/ils have expressed doubt too. i think mostly it’s just not a big deal, i’m not really in peril
would be nice to look at other folks though

 

[rari_teh]

btw, trebek, now that you’re here, what are your thoughts on i liek squirtles?

 

[RNP]

kyeugh

 

[kyeugh]

i too vote my hypoclears

 

[RNP]

it was a bait

 

[RNP]

you fell for it, fool.

 

[Trebek]

After rereading ILS stuff, im still sorta Head Empty, but i find myself agreeing with a lot of what he's said, especially looking back on the trebekkening (while obv i know that the thy about both keldeo and i being wolf isnt true, its still a point that i objectively agree with). I've dialed back my rari/mewt suspicion since then, but his having the same suspicion doesn't necessarily strike me as a bad thing, bc it was what i was thinking at the time too. similarly, i haven't really gotten any negative vibes from him so far this day phase

 

[qenya]

Yea no worries, I haven't said too much so far! Like, clearly taking the statistics out of context isn't necessarily indicative of anything, and prior to this I was feeling pretty good about kyeugh regardless (especially since she's one of your hypoclears, right?). It just makes me feel a bit more uncertain now, and I can't help but read obvious wolf jokes as ploys to deflect suspicion Especially since, well, the jokes are happening just after people have voiced suspicions about her? Sorry kyeugh, no jokes allowed!

This is pretty much how I feel as well, and considerably more eloquent than the way I was going to explain it. I don't really know what to think any more, haha.

I agree, though, that this doesn't seem like a vein of conversation that's likely to yield any more fruit. Even if we later decide to lynch kyeugh after all, it would be better to spend the remaining ~40 hours trying to find some other leads as well.

The people I most want to hear more from are Butterfree, Superjolt and Emmy. The first two are reasonably straightforward (people who haven't been behaving unusually but also haven't been around a great deal yet); for Emmy, the source of my concern is that she seems to be here, and even posting, but not really engaging with the game. Like, several people have asked her questions now and she's just ignored them. It could just be (and probably just is) unwillingness to participate for any combination of {lack of time, lack of interest, lack of experience}, but would feel more comfortable if she could say that herself.

I have a hunch that several of the 6 mafia members are among the most active players

this is a good snake tbh. With how badly we screwed up yesterday, it would not surprise me at all if there were a couple of mafia influencing the direction of the conversation and the formation of the leading wagons. (This is another reason why the kyeugh thing unnerves me.)

I'll have a glance back shortly and see if I can scrape together anything about the people who have been talking a lot.

 

[Trebek]

for Emmy, the source of my concern is that she seems to be here, and even posting, but not really engaging with the game.

this is actually something i was thinking of myself, but had not figured out how to word properly

 

[kyeugh]

it was a bait