qenya
formerly kokorico
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not in the slightest! I'm sorry, it was kind of an insensitive joke, meant to be about how you were carrying the conversation but it kinda flopped. You're fine, really, please carry on as much as you like!
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Cats (2019) Mafia
- Thread starter JackPK
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not in the slightest! I'm sorry, it was kind of an insensitive joke, meant to be about how you were carrying the conversation but it kinda flopped. You're fine, really, please carry on as much as you like!
mewtini
어떤 계절도 영원할 순 없으니까
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no don't be! it was funny, i'm realizing that maybe i'm kind of touchy today hahaha. i said in tvtropes that if i don't force myself to post everything, i just get nervous and retreat into the background, and that's definitely what i'm trying to do this game as well :T
mewtini
어떤 계절도 영원할 순 없으니까
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- she/her
in re ILS: i'm going through his post history and i think i haven't changed much from the read i gave in my longpost, i.e. "he's a blind spot for me, i guess i'm neither town nor scumleaning." if i HAD to choose in vacuum, i guess townlean, but among the thread actives i still am heavily townreading a lot of them, so ... idk. i have no clue how he would play as mafia, and my time with him in tvt didn't prepare me that well for this :p
i said earlier that i thought pointing out his doubts about the ultracool/kyeugh as possible mafia theory would be a weird/mildly silly place for a wolf to pop their head in, and the v/v or w/w theorizing he did about keldeo and trebek is actual contribution at least. maybe i sounded like i was
about the mere fact that he engaged in flavorspec, it was more that i thought the d1 flavor was like ... pretty spare lol and i kind of doubted/doubt that there's actually much to be found there, so i immediately felt weird that his only posting initially was about that
i said earlier that i thought pointing out his doubts about the ultracool/kyeugh as possible mafia theory would be a weird/mildly silly place for a wolf to pop their head in, and the v/v or w/w theorizing he did about keldeo and trebek is actual contribution at least. maybe i sounded like i was
about the mere fact that he engaged in flavorspec, it was more that i thought the d1 flavor was like ... pretty spare lol and i kind of doubted/doubt that there's actually much to be found there, so i immediately felt weird that his only posting initially was about that
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- she/her
What do you think about my thought from previously in the game about how ILS was trying to direct us towards thinking the mafia might be Mr. Mistoffelees rather than the more obvious Macavity? That still strikes me as pretty funny and like an effort to mislead, though a bit confusingly obviously so if he is mafia. @I liek Squirtles Sorry, if you've responded about this before I think I missed it - why did the flavor make you think of Mistoffelees over what Macavity's doing for the entire movie?
At the moment my reads are something like this:
Hypocop clear
kyeugh
Would be very surprised if mafia
mewtini (already mentioned, but she seems extremely at ease and exactly like the way she was playing TVT, where she was not technically town but I truly believe she was playing as if she were)
Bluwiikoon (agree with everyone else that his posting just feels incredibly pure)
M Plus 7 (asks good questions, responds naturally, feels very at ease; I say this not having any meta, but I get very good vibes)
Leaning town
rari_teh (feels like her TVT self, I think? Overall playing pretty inquisitively and naturally)
Tofu (would kind of like to read again, but I like her thoughts today; feels agendaless and makes good observations)
Mr. Ultracool (not a lot of content, but also just feels like he played in TVT)
RedneckPhoenix (okay this is purely a vague hunch, I should reread his actual posts and don't really remember what's making me feel like he's town, but)
IndigoEmmy (kiiiiind of different from TVT, but also not really how I'd expect mafia!Indigo to play, and also Reasons(tm))
Null because I fear their scumgame
Keldeo (his posting feels towny but I'm extremely wary that he feels super towny when mafia)
kokorico (solid-feeling thoughts, but e played scum really well in TVT and I think e could fake it)
Null because I have not properly managed to form an opinion and probably need to reread them
Trebek (I don't really feel like I got anything out of the push by Keldeo? He's posted plenty, it's just kind of gone in one eye and out the other for some reason and doesn't properly stick; this happens a lot at the start of a game playing for the first time with people I'm not familiar with. Tofu would be the same except I managed to actually notice some posts by her when catching up earlier)
Superjolt (I don't remember what he's posted at all)
The vaguest of bad vibes
Herbe (lingering kneejerk D1 "he sure likes to remind us how town he is", but hasn't really given me any bad feelings otherwise)
Maybe scummy??
VM (I feel weird about the statistical push on kyeugh and he's pushing kind of hard for particular lynches and particular associations? But then again it doesn't really feel like his TVT game, where he was scum, I think?)
ILS (mostly the misleading flavor talk, to be honest, I don't know why I'm so stuck on this and it still feels like a weird mafia move but it Bugs Me)
I don't really have any firm scumreads at the moment. I want to do some rereading and figure out some thoughts. I've been preoccupied with this one-shot contest I was judging whose results were just posted, but hopefully over the weekend I can read back a bit and get a better grasp on something. In particular I haven't really looked back at exactly how voting went yesterday which is probably a good idea.
mewtini
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yeah, i thought trebek came off of it kind of null (though i know kel read trebek's reaction as towny) and i'm under the impression that my take on it isn't a hugely popular one
mewtini
어떤 계절도 영원할 순 없으니까
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- she/her
i have the same weird feelings too but i can't tell if they're pinging me as actual wolves or merely as anti-town? like i think VM is tunneling but when he was scum he lay pretty low ... wrt ILS for now i'm just siding with "that flavorspec seems like a weird mafia move" and figuring i'll sort it later
rari_teh
knives dealer
- Pronoun
- any%
I’m hemming and hawing about posting this, but fuck it
I’ve been thinking about VM’s posts lately and I have this increasing impression that he might be an alien
seriously, hear me out. he posted this in response to mewtini toDay:
I feel like this is unnecessary copbait that serves pretty much no purpose other than raising mafia eyebrows tbh
couple this with semi-constant shitstirring and his fierce push on a kyeughwagon and you have the perfect plan for an alien win
like. let’s say VM’s wagoncrafting succeeds, kyeugh is lynched and flips green. who would automatically be sussed by the entire town toMorrow?
god this is going to look terrible for me if kyeugh ever flips red, but I think I’m confident enough to believe she won’t
I’ve been thinking about VM’s posts lately and I have this increasing impression that he might be an alien
seriously, hear me out. he posted this in response to mewtini toDay:
I feel like this is unnecessary copbait that serves pretty much no purpose other than raising mafia eyebrows tbh
couple this with semi-constant shitstirring and his fierce push on a kyeughwagon and you have the perfect plan for an alien win
like. let’s say VM’s wagoncrafting succeeds, kyeugh is lynched and flips green. who would automatically be sussed by the entire town toMorrow?
god this is going to look terrible for me if kyeugh ever flips red, but I think I’m confident enough to believe she won’t
Herbe
the dave of guy
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- xe/xem (plural)
not to tinfoil hat, but i strangely agree with you..... i'm interested in the theory, at least
also an emmy vote sounds fine to me right now. i don't mind the emmy/ultracool wagon split, but I do want to note that I'm not 100% convinced it's not v/v :/// alienspec kinda weirds me out of a vm wagon though. i feel like everyone has kinda Meh reasons for townreading VM from what I've seen so far.
yes my opinions fluctuate and what about it
Keldeo
Resolute
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- he, they
Just finished catching up, gonna compile thoughts and stuff in a bit!
Also, Alien is a third party, so if kyeugh is town he wouldn't know she was town - like, are you saying that you don't think that he actually believes in his kyeugh read? I don't really get that impression from his posting about it.
Sorry, I'm pretty confused by this. I don't think that post would make him any more of a target than anyone else who's given a hypocop result? And I think the only things from him that I'd describe as "shitstirring" are talking about abstaining on day 1, which I believe he believes regardless of his alignment, and his thoughts about kyeugh, when I don't think he's even voting her right now - were you talking about something else?
Also, Alien is a third party, so if kyeugh is town he wouldn't know she was town - like, are you saying that you don't think that he actually believes in his kyeugh read? I don't really get that impression from his posting about it.
Keldeo
Resolute
- Pronoun
- he, they
Ah, Herbe, same questions to you. Can you talk more about this impression that you're getting from VM's posts, because I'm not getting it at all?
Also, I don't think we have any missing kill except the possible n0 vig* so if anyone's an alien, they wouldn't have been activated and therefore can be daykilled safely.
* bad theory: the n0 mafia kill was stopped and the vig killed Mawile. I am choosing not to believe in this theory because damn vig, that would be harsh.
Also, I don't think we have any missing kill except the possible n0 vig* so if anyone's an alien, they wouldn't have been activated and therefore can be daykilled safely.
* bad theory: the n0 mafia kill was stopped and the vig killed Mawile. I am choosing not to believe in this theory because damn vig, that would be harsh.
rari_teh
knives dealer
- Pronoun
- any%
not really? the very point of hypocopping is to enable cops to stealthily give their reads without raising suspicion. many people don’t even stick to their covers in their reads
VM didn’t even give cop cover in this game if my spreadsheet is right; he had zero good reason to say oh by the way I have a super secret second reason to townread you, not telling you though unless i’m missing something obvious
I am definitely saying that he doesn’t actually think that kyeugh is mafia
rari_teh
knives dealer
- Pronoun
- any%
in the hypothesis of my theory being correct, that is
Keldeo
Resolute
- Pronoun
- he, they
Uh, this might just be a misunderstanding or miscommunication between us about the point of hypocopping, but I really see no difference between VM saying "n0 mewtini" and saying "I have a secret reason to townread you, mewtini" as methods to lay down cover for the cop.
btw, I don't want VM to feel pressured to give up what that secret reason is if he doesn't want to.
btw, I don't want VM to feel pressured to give up what that secret reason is if he doesn't want to.
Okay, can you expand on this for me? You seem to have had this theory for a while given that that post is kinda old - what exactly about his posts about kyeugh makes you think that?
rari_teh
knives dealer
- Pronoun
- any%
it possibly is? because for me there’s a very wide gap between the two things
saying “n0 mewtini” means “this is likely false, but here it is”
casually saying “i have a secret reason to tr mewtini” on the other hand is a fairly serious claim, especially given that there potentially are other roles that may enable you to infer other people’s alignment
if this wasn’t clear, me neither! if this isn’t just part of an alien ploy, by all means don’t talk about it until you feel comfortable to do so
nothing in particular, I just believe that VM is crafty enough to be able to believably claim to scumread someone he doesn’t actually scumread
(I’ll confess that this is very possibly confbias on my part, but still)
mewtini
어떤 계절도 영원할 순 없으니까
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so i just am antsy to post and i'm going to line-by-line these posts if that's ok tbh.
also if VM is alien it doesn't impact the veracity of his kyeugh read (i still think he's tunneling town? probably?)
in re: game setup. going off of jack's specs for this game, we know that there are 6 mafia, but wouldn't the existence of 3p/hypoalien cut into our town roster a bit?
i was about to agree with you but idk about this since VM said he had Secret Reasons but was doubting his read/beginning to feel weird about me :p
also if VM is alien it doesn't impact the veracity of his kyeugh read (i still think he's tunneling town? probably?)
in re: game setup. going off of jack's specs for this game, we know that there are 6 mafia, but wouldn't the existence of 3p/hypoalien cut into our town roster a bit?
mewtini
어떤 계절도 영원할 순 없으니까
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- she/her
i don't love his posting and part of me will probably feel vindicated if he does flip red (sorry), but i - as someone who has never played as mafia before, haha - want to believe that a wolf wouldn't drag themselves directly into the spotlight like this
rari_teh
knives dealer
- Pronoun
- any%
other people’s alignments
I should be sleeping lol
this is a very good point