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[IndigoClaudia]

ATIVELY

EDIT: I looked up the meaning for atively and it also more or less fits but it fit's less than actively.

 

[Zori]

Mawile
I guess :P

If Mafia have a single redirector, it was likely on RNP/kokoriko? last night
unless we have some more screwy town roles
which means M&F is more likely than not mafia

 

[rari_teh]

Maybe should we try and swap with someone else who isn't very active? Like I could try to confirm RNP or Otter's role, or something.

That might be a very good idea, but on the other hand we don’t know what happens if we swap bodies with a 3p or mafia? I mean, it’s not you, it’s me, or now it should be you and not me, but

 

[Ottercopter]

@Ottercopter do you know what exactly happens if the mafia kill you? Do you like, exit the game victorious, or do you just die normally, or something else?

If we're considering swapping roles, should I say this? I feel like the ambiguity between the number of times you can repeat the phrase to pass the role combined with not necessarily knowing what will happen if they kill you while you have my power might make it harder for the mafia to decide on a target tonight. Or have I already said too much in the past to make that likely (which I think I did)?

Would appreciate opinions on any of [serimachi / Otter / RNP / Panini / Mist], or the situation where RNP blocked half of the supposed healer clash that killed Eifie.

Dunno if I have anything new to say about this right now. Like, I've wondered if maybe RNP got blocked by a mafia power (surely the group doesn't JUST have a killer if the playerbase is this big?), but I still can't think of a reason to target someone who was basically inactive. Panini's made me think that it coulda been someone familiar with his playstyle, but... by last night, we had multiple revealed doctors that I would at least think could be better targets to block.
Someone mentioned that maybe Eifie dies from targetting a townie. Could she have tried to kill me after all? I don't think it's this, just throwing out possibilities for the sake of it. I am honestly at a loss with how Eifie died because even a non-mafia death should imply that the mafia targeted her in the process since nobody else died, right?

 

[rari_teh]

Yesterday, as I laid in bed, a mad theory assembled in my head. I doubt that it’s true, but the fact that I can’t recall anything that disproves it unnerves me.

Eifie’s MI secret states that there’s an evil doctor, and Emmy’s says that there is a magic doctor and a nanobot doctor who don’t get along, right? Now, hear me out: what if the not getting along isn’t about heal clashing, but about alignment? In that case, the nanobot doctor would be mafia-aligned… and would be the Deadly Doctor, JackPK, who died n0.

Under this hypothesis, Stryke has to be lying. His roleclaim of nanobot doc that all but dismounted his lynchwagon was seen as too bold for a mafia fake claim, but he could have either somehow learned that Jack was the nanobot doctor or, most likely, pieced the information together and deduced that the only person who could counterclaim him was dead as a rock. To seal his reputation as town, he proceeds to feign confusion around Eifie’s death, claiming to have healed her the night before.

What this explains: why Stryke never voted for Mawile (and endorsed an Odie lynch yesterDay)
What this doesn’t explain: how the hell Eifie died even though kokorico healed her

I bet that I’m forgetting something that clearly disproves this crackpot. Am I?

This theory is brought to you by TEDxBedlam.

 

[rari_teh]

Someone mentioned that maybe Eifie dies from targetting a townie.

I don’t buy this because her flavour is clearly not a suicide. She carries a gun, but dies without a mark? Hm.

 

[Ottercopter]

OH! Something else that just occured to me that might corroborate Rari_teh's theory! Or is at least something to consider. Kyeugh said she knew about the roleblocker blocking her action and even knew what the trope was. Stryke hasn't said anything like that, right?

 

[rari_teh]

OH! Something else that just occured to me that might corroborate Rari_teh's theory! Or is at least something to consider. Kyeugh said she knew about the roleblocker blocking her action and even knew what the trope was. Stryke hasn't said anything like that, right?

Wel observed! Although I think the ramifications of that would walk less toward Stryke is mafia and not a doc and more toward either RNP blocked someone else and is just spreading chaos or RNP's block did not go through

 

[rari_teh]

*Well observed!
Man, I hate touchscreens

 

[kyeugh]

Kyeugh said she knew about the roleblocker blocking her action and even knew what the trope was.

this is related to my role. i wouldn't really hold it against stryke.

 

[qenya]

hello I'm back!

I'm very sorry about yesterday - I let my confusion and paranoia get away from me and ended up sowing more confusion. I'll do my best to keep my trains of thought safe and sane going forward.

With that in mind, a few things:

this is related to my role. i wouldn't really hold it against stryke.

If I were to target you N3, would that give us information that might prove/disprove Keldeo's theory about my role being a no-op?

On the topic of his role, if I'm understanding it right, "roleblock someone and then all day abilities are suppressed for the next day phase" feels kind of disconnected as a single role but it seems like kyeugh confirmed his roleblock effect and I have no idea why he'd make up the second part or claim now if he were mafia.

It seems like a reasonably straightforward effect to me. He targets a player each night, and then none of that player's role's abilities are in effect at all until the end of the next day. It's more powerful than a night-only roleblocker, but it doesn't seem terribly complicated? Am I missing something?

b) koko hasn't moved eir vote back onto mawile so idrk

is this... the most important thing? I don't see how it could conceivably change the results. But, I mean, sure, if you insist. Mawile

 

[kyeugh]

If I were to target you N3, would that give us information that might prove/disprove Keldeo's theory about my role being a no-op?

maybe. did i miss something about your role?

 

[Keldeo]

I know I proposed it but I'm not totally sure if your role not actually doing anything is a plausible theory, kokorico. Probably using "that's kind of mean" as justification for too much setup speculation, but it really would be kind of mean. :P Also there's no harm in putting out ideas even if they end up not really working, right?

Yesterday, as I laid in bed, a mad theory assembled in my head. I doubt that it’s true, but the fact that I can’t recall anything that disproves it unnerves me.

It's not you, it's me... 2!

Purely mechanically, no, I don't think there's anything atm that would disprove this. But you say Stryke would have "pieced the information together" about Jack being the nanobot doctor, but if Jack was not group scum / the nanobot doctor was not known to the mafia, what information do you think that could be? I feel like all of the signs to the mafia then would seem to point to there being two town doctors and Jack being a third party.

Stryke did say that he thought he was on the brink of death when he claimed (though he seemed pretty genuine about the claim, I know that's not super compelling.)

So like the plausible explanations of mafia!Stryke to me are if Stryke was expecting to draw a counterclaim but now he's just rolling with it I guess, or the nanobot doctor is someone else on the mafia and Stryke decided to take their claim. Those seem a little more complicated than Stryke just being the town nanobot doctor, because Stryke's claim was the one that put a hole in Mawile's motion detector claim, although it's possible that the mafia were simply uncoordinated last EOD.

Also, VM said he confirmed that it is healer clash between a magic doctor and a technology doctor, though that doesn't confirm that the technology doctor is town either. Like you said, if RNP's block went through, Stryke's role and alignment aren't material to solving that conflict.

 

[Keldeo]

Oh, kokorico, what I was thinking about RNP's ability is that he blocks daytime abilities globally rather than just his target's daytime abilities. I think his description is a little ambiguous, but it does make more sense under your interpretation.

It's also worth noting that my ability also freezes Daytime Abilities the following day. Terrorists can't explode, gladiators can't challenge, and some other third thing.

 

[kyeugh]

i guess there are daytime abilities huh

 

[mewtini]

is this... the most important thing? I don't see how it could conceivably change the results. But, I mean, sure, if you insist. Mawile

hey, sorry! that wasn't what i meant haha. mostly i was paranoid of seeming like i was too hardline in defending you

 

[Keldeo]

i guess there are daytime abilities huh

Disco Inferno kyeugh

Haha I mean. Maybe Eifie was a dayvig and that explains the lack of her kill? :/

 

[qenya]

did i miss something about your role?

...I don't know? :P

To recap, all I know for sure is that I was initially told I was a VT, told at the start of N2 that I'd become a magic doc, and then (tried to) heal Eifie, which doesn't match up with the fact that she died - at first I thought it was a healer clash, but now RNP claims to have roleblocked the other purported healer. Other than that, everything you're hearing is pure speculation.

I kind of like the "my role is fake, and I'm actually still just a VT" idea in a mechanical sense because it provides a neat explanation for why vig!Eifie apparently didn't kill anyone - her role was fake too. (Obviously I don't much like it on a personal level tho.) But, I mean, there are hundreds of other possibilities if we assume Butterfree wants us to suffer, so maybe it's not likely enough to be worth investigating? idk.

 

[mewtini]

If Mafia have a single redirector, it was likely on RNP/kokoriko? last night
unless we have some more screwy town roles
which means M&F is more likely than not mafia

the w!mf implications of roleblock/redirect is what i was weakly trying to posit earlier. like otter, though, i'm not really sure why mafia!redirector would target RNP when even town wasn't pinning him as someone particularly active

Under this hypothesis, Stryke has to be lying. His roleclaim of nanobot doc that all but dismounted his lynchwagon was seen as too bold for a mafia fake claim, but he could have either somehow learned that Jack was the nanobot doctor or, most likely, pieced the information together and deduced that the only person who could counterclaim him was dead as a rock. To seal his reputation as town, he proceeds to feign confusion around Eifie’s death, claiming to have healed her the night before.

What this explains: why Stryke never voted for Mawile (and endorsed an Odie lynch yesterDay)
What this doesn’t explain: how the hell Eifie died even though kokorico healed her

this does make me wonder and tbh stryke is someone else who i'd want to inspect if i had the ability to (i have also, admittedly, been wary of people claiming publicly-discussed roles) but for whatever reason or another i'm not inclined to distrust stryke yet

not much to say beyond that right now, i think, that hasn't already been said. i've probably said this an irritating number of times but it still bugs me that RNP chose stryke to roleblock lol, like, vendetta or not, it seems decidedly ... nontown to go after a doctorclaim, even if one were skeptical of the claimant? and as i think koko said earlier the assumptions we'd been making about a roleblocker or hyporedirector were ones that presumed they were red roles, so maybe i'm just a bit locked into that paranoia mindset too

so then the theories are that RNP himself got redirected, somehow (which assumes that he's town, that a (red) redirector exists, and that the redirector would even target him) and he roleblocked someone else, leading the healer clash to occur anyway? (is it possible RNP is just lying lol)

sorry if some of this already got solved and i just missed it somehow. or if this doesn't really matter much now. aside from MF (which i think we've all already decided to look into next) this is what's been bugging me lately

 

[mewtini]

so then the theories are that RNP himself got redirected, somehow (which assumes that he's town, that a (red) redirector exists, and that the redirector would even target him) and he roleblocked someone else, leading the healer clash to occur anyway? (is it possible RNP is just lying lol)

er, i said "the theories" and then forgot to mention the other theory, i.e. just that the roleblock worked and eifie got killed off another way (basically, mafia hit) despite kokorico healing her unimpeded