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ORAS Mafia Confirmed - Game Thread

Okay, well, ZM's power is sure convenient; we could lynch someone today, have him protect me while I inspect at night, and then go from there.

As for who to lynch, ideas would be great, but I have one tiny thing I would like to point out:

hopeandjoy said:
It's definitely troubling that there seems to be still two killers running around. At this point, I don't really think that there's an option other than two mafia fractions. Unless we've continuously missed a serial killer or something.
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What makes you think that? Nobody has brought up the idea of multiple factions all game as far as I can tell, and what reason is there to suddenly jump to that over other plausible explanations like the serial killer idea that everyone's being throwing around? The thing you said about continuously missing a serial killer doesn't really make sense; I mean... why is that so unlikely? ugh I don't really have the words for what I'm trying to get at but hopefully people can see what I mean.

Perhaps this is just me being very paranoid, but the big reason that occurs to me for which you would suddenly jump to the idea of multiple factions as the only real possibility when nobody has mentioned that before is if you were mafia, but were not expecting Negrek or VM to flip mafia? Does hopeandjoy's post seem a little strange to anyone else?
 
Well, I can see why you would be paranoid,and it is a bit strange that she would choose to bring that up now, but it would make a tiny bit of sense if there were two (team magma AND aqua, perhaps) but hopeandjoy coldve come to that through the situation you mentioned.

I wrote out a long post before I saw your s about how if ZM protects you it still doesn't clear him because if he's with mafia then one killer could just kill you and get him blocked to try to prove him " innocent ". But why would he have that power if he's mafia? So either a) he's innocent with that power and maybe mafia will try to kill you, fail, then say that's mighty suspicious and get him lynched ( doesn't make sense why would a mafia have that power or b) he's lying, is mafia with a different power and maybe mafia just kill someone else or something. And these nscenarios don't nessessarily go with the verdict. I'm a bit suspicious ( of him in general, too) but let's wait on doing anything to him until we see how this plays out.

But i'm not completely suspicious of haj. I mean, it could fit.Team Aqua and Magma both in or as mafia isn't too big of a stretch. Especially when a mafia was killed during the night, it could have been a magma killing an aqua or vice versa. It is suspicious she would rush to that... but I don't want to do anything just yet. Lets hear from both had and ZM before we start voting. Honestly, I'm more inclined towards ZM (if you would like to hear my arguments let me know but I have to go to the dentist in an hour and hes on the other side of town so im leaving after i post this)

Also, a question for ZM: who did you protect N0 and N1?
 
Because we have continuous two killers? Either there are two mafia factions, mafia and a serial killer, mafia and a rouge vigilante, or mafia and a shit ton of healer clashes.

Seriously, two mafia fractions is the most logical out of all of those.
 
Ohh, yeahh. *facepalm*. Duh.

Well, to make it official, are you going to protect eifie next night if we find someone else to lynch?

(If that is your power and you aren't lying, which I'll assume you aren't for now.)
 
First off: My cat is having babies right freaking now. She got one out after I started writing.

Well, it won't do much good to lynch you now. But, I still have my suspicions about you. We'll see this night play out.

But who do we lynch now? I don't think haj is the best candidate because honestly there is only one thing of evidence for her and its not even strong. So, after that the two choices we have are Dar and RTB. Personally, I want to lean more towards Dar.

...And I just realized something. So we have seven players left, and we can pretty much agree we probably have 2 mafia out of them. If we accidently lynch an innocent, and then we have 2 deaths as the pattern continues, we'll have a ratio of 2 innocent to 2 mafia. Doesn't that mean mafia win? Either way this is very bad. We absolutely cannot lynch an innocent today.

Then again, if there are two mafia factions, then there are (probably) one of each left. So if we lynch an innocent we would still have majority (2 innocent, 1 mafia a and 1 mafia b ) if the win condition is like that.

I'm suspicious of Dar and Zero Moment being mafia. Just putting that out there. But I could be wrong. Anyway, cats having another kitten have to go right now not voting yet
 
Lilypad said:
I wrote out a long post before I saw your s about how if ZM protects you it still doesn't clear him because if he's with mafia then one killer could just kill you and get him blocked to try to prove him " innocent ". But why would he have that power if he's mafia? So either a) he's innocent with that power and maybe mafia will try to kill you, fail, then say that's mighty suspicious and get him lynched ( doesn't make sense why would a mafia have that power or b) he's lying, is mafia with a different power and maybe mafia just kill someone else or something. And these nscenarios don't nessessarily go with the verdict. I'm a bit suspicious ( of him in general, too) but let's wait on doing anything to him until we see how this plays out.
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There's always the possibility that the mafia could have a roleblocker and be able to kill me tonight anyway to cast suspicion on Zero Moment, but the best I can think to do is just hope that that's not the case. Sure, ZM could be lying, but if I die tonight now, things are going to be looking very bad for him. I'm relying on the fact that even if he's lying about his power and he's actually mafia, t wouldn't be a very good move for him to let me die tonight because that's going to cast a lot of suspicion on him the next day.

Lilypad said:
Honestly, I'm more inclined towards ZM (if you would like to hear my arguments let me know but I have to go to the dentist in an hour and hes on the other side of town so im leaving after i post this)
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Of course I would like to hear :D

hopeandjoy said:
Because we have continuous two killers? Either there are two mafia factions, mafia and a serial killer, mafia and a rouge vigilante, or mafia and a shit ton of healer clashes.

Seriously, two mafia fractions is the most logical out of all of those.
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Considering that everyone's been bandying about the idea of serial killers all game (and we've had someone flip neither innocent nor mafia already), why did you never mention that before? (Also, I still fail to see how two mafia factions is more "logical" than having a serial killer.)
 
Eifie said:
Considering that everyone's been bandying about the idea of serial killers all game (and we've had someone flip neither innocent nor mafia already), why did you never mention that before? (Also, I still fail to see how two mafia factions is more "logical" than having a serial killer.)
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Because, as I said, I've been busy and thus inactive on the forums before now?

I don't think a serial killer is likely because I highly doubt that MF would put two in the game.
 
Cat status: Three so far. One is not doing well, having trouble breathing.

And its just a gut type feeling, but RTB has had a reason before for not posting all that much. Honestly I don't even trust my gut all that much anymore, I'd rather hear from a more experienced player (note I rote kitty here before I am not in a good frame of mind) on the matter.

Im sorry I have to go kittens are stressing me out. Probably wont be on for like an hour. Pls don't jump on anybandwgons I might have made I am not in the best state of mind, just see if you have that gut feeling and see if its more with dar or rtb (its almost a tie for me but at the first mafias had to be active and rtb was having finals so he couldn't) or evidence would be great too, even better

GTG
 
24-hour time extension.

Prone to being shortened because a) I'm late and b) I'm not going to stay up until 5 AM tomorrow just to wrap this up at the same time as this time extension is being dealt (whether I stay up until 5 AM tomorrow for different purposes, however, is a different story)
 
....I think one thing we have to consider is that, since there's deaths each night, the Mafia are active. If they haven't been online in a long time it's likely not them.

(a quick check shows that everyone alive has been online in the past two days.)
 
Okay, well, hopeandjoy doesn't really have me convinced and given that we basically have to lynch someone to get an inspection in, I'd obviously rather lynch someone that I have reason to doubt rather than just a random pick. I was kind of hoping for more opinions but didn't really get any. :(

By the way, suggestions for who to inspect tonight would be welcome; I already have ideas for who I plan to inspect which I think might be safest to just keep to myself, but if you have any good targets please say so!
 
24-hour time extension.

Little more timely now. And oh, yeah, make this one count, it's the last for the day.
 
Eifie said:
Okay, well, hopeandjoy doesn't really have me convinced and given that we basically have to lynch someone to get an inspection in, I'd obviously rather lynch someone that I have reason to doubt rather than just a random pick. I was kind of hoping for more opinions but didn't really get any. :(

By the way, suggestions for who to inspect tonight would be welcome; I already have ideas for who I plan to inspect which I think might be safest to just keep to myself, but if you have any good targets please say so!
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Okay then Eifie, what's you theory about the two killers then? Why are you so opposed to the idea that there might be two mafia factions?
 
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