Pokémafia - Super Mystery Dungeon

[qenya]

Secondly, doesn't the normal oracle role involve Zori *answering* your questions rather than *asking you*? It's possible you may have made a mistake in the quotes, but if it's accurate, I'm not inclined to believe your takes on alignment any more than someone else's.

yep, that's how an oracle works. just to be clear, those quotes in my post are linking back to this thread, not to my role PM - you can see if you click on the permalinks next to each one. the ones from Zori are where my daily questions got posted in the start-of-day flavour, which as I mentioned is a particular wrinkle of my role, and the ones from me are where i "softed" the answers earlier - that means subtly hiding inforole information in public posts so that hopefully it can be picked up on even after your death. obviously in the actual role PM it was me asking the questions and Zori answering them, yes.

 

[qenya]

well yeah, oracles would be broken as fuck if they could freely double as cops, watchers, etc. why do you ask?

Ha-ha! Well then, your tea reading does not, in fact, contradict my claims! For you see, my flavor at the start of the game was not Riolu! My flavor was The Partner until I took a choice Night 0!

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fuck you did say that yesterDay didn't you.

ok it's possible i may have been a bit hasty. goddammit.

 

[Zori]

errata:
redneck phoenix was petrified
sorry i slept really bad

 

[qenya]

ok, well, we still have a pretty damning result on haneko, at least. i guess the aim for the rest of the day is to sort ZM vs Jack.

 

[qenya]

kicking myself for that. zori must have been beside herself laughing at me as she sent the result. i am very sorry ZM.

(not that this clears you, you understand, it just means you're not guaranteed implicated. but.)

 

[JackPK]

Jack pk, if you feel like it wouldn't be dangerous to share, can you explain what your action changed from/to?

Yeah, we're late game enough that I think it's basically time for everyone to fullclaim anyway. I'm happy to start that:

I am Deerling, a light-aligned "Serene Village Socialite". my original power was a JOAT variant with one-shot uses of "jailkeep a player", "protect a player from abilities that all Dark players share", and "chain a player". ("Jailkeep" = they cannot die that night, but they are roleblocked, and if they try to kill, I die. "Chain" = they cannot die that night, but if I die that night or the subsequent day, they lose all their powers.)

I opted to not do anything n0, chained RNP n1, and protected qenya from Dark players' shared abilities n2. I was hoping to save my jailkeep for toNight as we're in or approaching LyLo, but got screwed out of that by my action changing >:(

My new power I won't be able to use until the upcoming night phase, and mechanically I thiiiiiiiiink its main effect is in fact useless at this point (it won't have a useful effect until the night afterward, at which point the game will inevitably have already ended unless we have a no-kill night and/or a no-yeet day between now and then). But it does have a secondary effect of informing my target of "a vague paraphrase" of its effect, so I prefer not to share that at this time so it can be used to verify my claim iff my target and I both survive to toMorrow.

 

[haneko]

I believe qenya is lying.

I'm also going to fullclaim - I am Buizel, the Expedition Society Underwater Specialist. I win when all Dark players are dead. I am informed who the player character and partner are at the end of N0. I don't know their alignments.

At night: If I guess someone's flavour character correctly, and they are killed, I will die instead of them. N1 I guessed that Herbe was Jirachi. N2 I guessed that qenya was Espurr.

I can choose to learn what the player's or partner's abilities are. Once I do, I become unable to do any other night actions and if they are killed, I will die instead of or alongside them, depending on the ability used to kill. (I have not chosen to do this since I don't know their alignments).

 

[haneko]

I'll also stick a vote on qenya for the sake of self-preservation

 

[M&F]

goddammit I can't believe EoD snuck up on me and I ended up not being useful once again. I am the best fucking mafia player in this entire internet

anyway, lots read and I literally just committed a nap; feel free to buzz me to post about anything that's prioritary, otherwise I will be catching up slooooowly

 

[haneko]

Seeing as ZM seems to have been cleared, I am willing to use my night action to learn their abilities and protect them from further harm for the rest of the game, if other people think it'd be useful.

More info about my role: the very first line of my role PM calls me the Expedition Society Guardian Angel. I don't know if anyone else has a slightly different flavour between the title and description...

 

[M&F]

alright, so let's see where we're standing around here

-first of all, it's interesting to me that no one's commenting on Jack hammering Herbe last EoD. ... jackhammering. I suppose it's hard to tell what that would or wouldn't have accomplished when we still aren't getting any flips, at all. from where I'm standing it's probably a good thing it happened, since I know I'm town and at this point that's kind of the extent of it; still, I figured more people would have opinions about it
-although it's worth mentioning that Herbe's name, as well as the Jirachi flavor, keep coming up with a blue highlight in modposts, which is distinct both from the night deads (no color highlight) and from the Shelmet flavor (red highlight). I should think that we're not getting a flip exclusively in the form of color-coding, but clearly stranger things have happened in this setup
-speaking of which -- an entire ass role change? I guess we're not talking about that a whole lot either, but I can't blame yall, I too don't even want to start thinking about that- and for the record, my role is exactly where I left it last time
-which also reminds to mention, we have another notification of someone's role being tampered with. and this one, this time, has nothing to do with my actions, although all put together that confuses me more, not less. in any case, I'll probably want to fullclaim as soon as I'm done parsing everything else around here, so, look forward to sharing in the confusion with me, I guess

and then there's the next topic which is... a boulder. so I'll at least get this part of the post out of the gate before I go unravel that enormity

 

[qenya]

hmm ok, gonna be honest I was semi-hoping for some sort of defence from haneko beyond the old OMGUS. oh well.

I am not quite sure what to make of her talking about ZM being "cleared" out of nowhere. at first it seems like she's trying to pull the wool over our eyes by pretending something's been decided when it hasn't, but it seems too blatant an attempt, so maybe reverse psychology? could go either way. I notice she also expressed a "townread" on Jack at the very beginning of the day, before I published my results. would definitely feel more comfortable with something mechanical... god i'm such an idiot, if only I'd not fucked up the question we could've been done by now

I'll probably want to fullclaim as soon as I'm done parsing everything else around here

could I ask you to do your claim last? I think we're only waiting for ZM now. that way it will give us the greatest chance of catching inconsistencies with Jack's or ZM's claims

 

[haneko]

hmm ok, gonna be honest I was semi-hoping for some sort of defence from haneko beyond the old OMGUS. oh well.

I mean, my defense is literally:

1. I know I'm light-aligned,
2. My role hasn't been tampered with,
3. Since I'm Light, the answer to your question can't be 3,
4. You're saying your answer was 3.

Conclusion: You're lying, or you've got the wrong information somehow (which could suggest a fakeclaim).

FWIW, I also find the things you softed to be so subtle I couldn't imagine picking up on them after your death. Which again, if you were fakeclaiming, would make sense.

 

[haneko]

oh wow that looks weird on mobile lol

I am not quite sure what to make of her talking about ZM being "cleared" out of nowhere.

you're literally the one who suggested he was unlikely to be Dark.

 

[haneko]

I suppose it's hard to tell what that would or wouldn't have accomplished when we still aren't getting any flips, at all.

Yeah, I agree that's why there is little talk about it. I don't really know what to think.

we have another notification of someone's role being tampered with. and this one, this time, has nothing to do with my actions

...You're able to change people's role PMs?!

 

[haneko]

I can't ISO you MF :'0

 

[haneko]

Ah, ok, you mentioned it earlier. I'll be waiting for your claim

 

[Zero Moment]

I think we're only waiting for ZM now.

My role equivalent... probably has a name that I don't recall, but what I do is every Night I take up the abilities of one of the dead players. The flavor makes it kinda unclear whether I pull from the list of all the dead players or just the player that was lynched the previous Day, but w/e. (the wording also specifies that I use "one" of their abilities, does anyone have two? er, besides our Jack, now that I think about it....) I'm not informed of what the ability does, only that it'll be classified as Helpful, Harmful, or Neutral, and what kind of targets it takes. I'm also unable to kill with these abilities (the guilt I have is immense) but if I would have I'm notified who I would've.

On D1 I wasn't actually aware that I was taking from dead players, I thought I was pulling from a random ability from a list. I was very disappointed that next Night.
Last Night I received an ability from Herbe, which was Harmful. I used it on RNP (it's what they would have wanted) but didn't get any feedback on it, so, shrug?

 

[qenya]

Last Night I received an ability from Herbe, which was Harmful. I used it on RNP (it's what they would have wanted) but didn't get any feedback on it, so, shrug?

oooh now this is a spicy claim. right off the bat, obviously it's completely inconsistent with what Herbe said their role was, which has been confirmed both by my questions and by their flip as town, sooo... hmm. it sounds like you're saying you don't target anyone, it just comes to you, so not some kind of redirector? i confess i'm a bit stumped otherwise.

the lack of an explanation kinda makes me more inclined to believe you, since otherwise i would be suspicious of it too conveniently fitting the available information. but maybe that's the whole point. gotta love that WIFOM

the other thing that stands out is that your claims for who you got abilities from matches with the rolecards that were stated to have been "tampered with" - a non-player on N1, and Herbe on N2. is this anything? MF already said she had something to do with the N1 one, right?

i think it's time for you to break the knot MF... please say you have something that can

 

[Zero Moment]

a non-player on N1

no, I didn't get anything N1 because nobody died. I was Very Sad.
but it's possible that they had their poetry as a passive alongside a usable night action.
and yeah, I don't target a player to get their ability, it gets assigned to me.