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Pokémon Draft Tournament?

Negrek

Negrek

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Pokémon Draft Tournament?

I've been bitten by the MtG bug recently, and it put me to thinking about what kinds of fun game formats we might try out in the Wi-Fi league. Something that I believe I proposed before, but we never actually got around to trying, was a draft tournament.

A draft tournament would be one where everybody is playing off a shared pool of pokémon. You can choose a team only from the ones provided, and you can't change moves/EV's/items, etc. I'll have some free time over my winter break, and I anticipate having Wi-Fi access next semester, so I could provide the pokémon myself (though if anyone wanted to help out that would be cool, because we'd need six-eight pokémon per person signing up).

I thought a draft tournament might be fun because it'd be pretty different from playing in the standard metagame, but you don't have to do any work breeding or training to play in it--you get the pokémon premade from the tournament organizer. It might also be beneficial to some of the casual players who haven't played much with fully EV'd/bred pokémon before so they can get a feel for how differently they perform. And finally, even if you don't win any of your matches, you still get six (to eight) decent pokémon to keep when the tournament is over.

Thoughts?
 
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(So I take it you enjoyed that Magic Workstation thing I pointed you to?)

The only suggestion along these lines that I can remember was the "pool party", which I don't think ever even finished, but that one had you rolling your own pokémon from the list provided. This would be a bit less work overall, true, and it might be fun. How would the pool be chosen, exactly? People throwing names into the hat a la the pool party (and presumably suggesting movesets/items/spreads/etc. along with them), randomizer?

I could help with the pokémon as long as they aren't needed before mid-December, though I'm sure that's true for everyone anyway.

(I would totally offer a shiny tamagetake or Dream World arceus or something as a prize if the winner's planning on getting BW, but I don't want to give them up and I don't think they've found this gen's inevitable cloning glitch yet. :/ I guess there is my usual cadre of other shinies and things, though.)
 
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Sounds like the battle factory. Would we trade you the Pokemon we need you to hold in exchange for the ones we're using? If that's the case, we'd need to trust that you would say, screw with our team as you're holding them (not that I don't trust you).

Would this be for Gen IV or Gen V?
 
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If I recall correctly, the pool party worked through people suggesting two Pokémon each and these would all go into a pool from which people could pick six Pokémon to use. Also, some people haven't got access to Gen V yet! D:

It seems like an interesting concept though, and I'd be willing to run with it. How do you know which Pokémon are going to be in the selection? Are people just going to suggest them?
 
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SonicNintendo said:
Sounds like the battle factory. Would we trade you the Pokemon we need you to hold in exchange for the ones we're using? If that's the case, we'd need to trust that you would say, screw with our team as you're holding them (not that I don't trust you).
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It sounds like we'd keep the rented Pokemon after the tournament, so that means we'd trade in meaningless Pokemon (bidoof or rattata or whatever).
 
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Espeon said:
Also, some people haven't got access to Gen V yet! D:
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I know that! Either you have it and can take the prize now, you're getting it and can take the prize later, or I'd find an alternative. Those were just the most interesting things I could think of since I already toss all of my Gen IV shinies around like confetti.
 
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Kratos Aurion

(More like archive binging on Mark Rosewater's column only like six hundred more to go aaaagh)

As for how pokémon suggestion would work, I was just planning to randomly select pokémon from the OU list (or, if we wanted to do a different tier, that tier list). There might be repeats of a particular pokémon with different stats/sets as well (for example, a physical lucario and a special lucario). However, at this point it would also be third-gen only because I don't want to just throw away whatever I train up without keeping a copy for myself; if someone else volunteered to do cloning of my fourth gen stuff, then I could do some pokémon from that gen, too.

SonicNintendo

Jack's got it right. You wouldn't be trading me anything you wanted to see again. And fourth gen.
 
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Eh, well, now that my games are connecting to Wi-Fi again I can clone Gen IV stuff, or do the training myself if need be. Trying a different tier might be interesting just because no one ever seems to bother with anything other than OU around here, though I don't really know much about other metagames (much as I've been meaning to try them out... bah, hell, I barely even know standard anymore and all I've got in my head atm is VGC10), though of course that would depend on what other people wanted. I don't have a real preference, for the record.
 
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SonicNintendo said:
Sounds great; can't wait to get this started. Any idea for a start date?
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I would imagine that it wouldn't be for at least a few weeks, if not sometime after December, seeing as the only two people who have volunteered to get the pokémon are currently very busy.
 
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If I can ever get off of my lazy butt to learn how to IV breed, I /might/ be able to help. Question, if I help, can I still participate?
 
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I'd actually be more than happy to try out a different tier level. I hate seeing the OUs thrown around at every possible opportunity. It'd be great to see some of the 'less powerful' Pokémon going at full throttle rather than being crippled by the hell bending power of the OU tier.
 
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The tournament probably wouldn't start until February, as I'm talking about training/cloning stuff up over my winter break, which runs mid-December to mid-January, and then there would have to be time for sign-ups and actually picking and distributing teams.

If you want to help breed pokémon, you can still participate. I might be able to participate myself, depending on what draft format we decide we want to do. The way draft works, you're always going to have at least some information about what pokémon are on other people's teams, so having trained those pokémon yourself doesn't really give you an edge.

So in general I'm getting a not-OU vibe here. Ubers is pretty well out of the question because there aren't enough pokémon in that tier to go around, really, and some of them are quite difficult to get. That leaves UU, NU, or something more exotic like little cup or an all-water tourney or something. The more wild formats feel like they should get their own tournaments, really, so would people be down with a UU tournament? I don't think we've done one yet.

I should note that you don't need to be an expert IV breeder or anything to help with pokémon acquisition; I'm planning to just do your basic two 31 IV's and then decent in all the rest, since this isn't a super-competitive tournament or anything. It's the EV training that mostly makes the difference. If you have any EV-trained pokémon you'd be willing to donate (either that you can clone yourself, or perhaps Kratos can do it for you) they'd most likely be welcome.

It looks like we have some interest here? It's unfortunate that I'm going to have to solicit sign-ups two months in advance, but I need to know how many people will be playing in order to know how many pokémon to make up. (And hopefully this will be a pretty easy tournament to participate in, since you just have to show up and fight--no team building.) I'll start an official sign-up thread soon, once we get tier/gimmick and draft format pinned down (I'll go over the potential formats next, when I have more time.)

Also, Kratos, if you could do some cloning/training, it would be great. Perhaps you could do fourth-gen if I stick to third and below?
 
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UU is fine by me.

And yeah, I can handle most of the fourth gen, though anyone willing to offer assistance there would be appreciated.
 
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^Though I'm not up to breeding fourth gen, I am willing to EV train some stuff...if you don't mind rare candy spamming (cheats) for some thereof (hey, the best Defense guy has lv. 50's...). Oh, and the game I use for the EV training is not the game I use for other things. Diamond is actually really good for EV training.
 
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february? I can do most stuff that evolves before level 30 unless someone else wants to handle training and evolving.
 
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If you need breeding with good movesets (I don't really specialize in EV/IV since I'm not well-versed in this), I'm your guy. I'm doing it for Cloudsong, what does one more project make?
 
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