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Tarot Mafia

I don't use readlists as a way to present my thoughts, I use them as a way to organize my thoughts tbh
The only reason I make readlists is because they make me more carefully evaluate the reasons I'm townreading a person in comparison with other people and certain limes from other games
Don't make a readlist if it doesn't help tbh
 
i'll have to properly revisit tomorrow (probably late because holiday etc) tbh, i am kind of head empty and exhausted right now :'D

short thoughts for now are that seshas seems pretty typically solvy (i liked that she poked at some reads surrounding mist), that ultracool's posting is kind of bizarre especially wrt his meta, and that MF sounds markedly different from tvt in a way that makes me want to townlean her despite not really knowing her extended metagame. also not immediately scumreading kokorico like i did in cats so maybe that is also something?
 
Wew:
[Mr. Ultracool/Trebek]
[Herbe/mewtini/JackPK/Keldeo]
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Ech:............|
[kyeugh/mewtini]
[IndigoEmmy/Stryke/Butterfree/RedneckPhoenix/Zero Moment]

tbh
 
what differentiated those two ech tiers tbh? is it just that skylar and i had posted at all lmfao
 
now that i'm thinking about it i think that the pure fact of ultracool posting more this game is probably townier than not since riding with his existing lurky meta is probably easy enough to do. that doesn't account for the actual content that he's posted though
 
Hello, everyone! I too have been watching the Hamilton proshoot and now it's four AM and I still need to draw a thing so this will be a brief pop-in

I have a hunch about Mist's role and I don't think they're third party/outgroup.

Jack's post speculating on the number of scum struck me as the kind of thing that'd be scumread on MU, but I'm not convinced that it actually indicates he's scum since yeah, it's just classic TCoDf play, really?

Ultracool's claim seems pretty sincere to me; I can't really imagine why he'd make this claim as scum given any villager who targets him tonight could easily disprove it, and if he genuinely does have a role giving out items as scum, that seems a pretty strange setup choice and also risky to claim immediately unless the mafia have some really specific roles going on.

No one else has especially stood out to me so far.
 
semi off-topic and maybe i am simply anxious or reading into this too much but if me posting a lot is sincerely a point of pain i can try to stop, it just is what feels best to me :'D i didn't really think twice about it in tvt but since then i feel like people are maybe sincerely annoyed about it, um, so i'm sorry
 
OK here's a haphazard attempt at trying to make reads

green vibes

me
me

good vibes
M&F - entrance via minion meme notwithstanding, everything else has seemed nice and solvey in a careful, tempered, thoughtful way

i liked a post or two but not enough to call it full-on good vibes yet
Trebek, kokorico - I liked their pushback on Seshas' slight shade of Herbe in #108/#115
Herbe - I like his calm reaction in #123 to Seshas' slight shade

neutral vibes

neutral
Mewtini - her short thoughts so far seem fine but I don't feel any particular feelings one way or the other yet
Butterfree - her post in #169 feels extremely in character but I don't think that's an indicator, her Butterfree-ish-ness is probably strong regardless of her faction

unsorted, not enough posts, pls post more
Stryke - although tbf "lurking until he has something concrete to talk about" fits my impression of his general gameplay
storm - posted once during Hamilton talk and none since then, pls post again :(

no posts head empty
IndigoEmmy
RedneckPhoenix
Zero Moment

pale orange vibes
(I almost left this tier as part of "neutral vibes" but I think it's subtly worth differentiating)

play seems different than i'm used to but idk how to read that fact
kyeugh - much quieter than normal so far, somehow both less memey and less solvey at once
Keldeo - seemed like his usual solveyness/pressing folks in #70 but not so much since then
(probably these both are indicators more of "amount of time able to devote to game" than alignment tbh)

i feel weird about unsolicited D1 claims
Mist1422 - idk where to sort their claim, could be almost anything trying to make us think they're almost anything

red vibes

very lightly vague bad vibes
Seshas - their slightly shading Herbe in #101 was pretty ??? to me, and tbh I still don't know that I really follow the logic even after it was explained (also I just don't think I'm reading Herbe's post in as much depth as Seshas is in the first place? and I can't tell if that's me being a shallow reader or Seshas jumping onto a nothingburger)

bad vibes
Mr. Ultracool - in addition to me feeling weird about unsolicited D1 claims, I also don't like him in #116 pushing M&F to share rolespec about Mist after consensus solidified that that would be counterproductive

other notes/reactions:

Mist1422 said:
ampharos is an admin on MU
the admin color is red
Seshas is mafia
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wait this post was clearly joking but I didn't see you unvote, are you actually voting Seshas?

if so, I think this is currently the only vote on the table, which makes me a lil uncomfy

Seshas said:
The I think it's untrustworthy but I trust it anyways bit sounds like someone who saw an outgroup/3p signal and is defending and hedging at the same time
Although it is pretty weak, I did actually catch a wolf using a stronger example of this recently (with a lot more evidence to connect the dots)
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I don't want to push any more on this since the subject has been dropped for the past like 40ish posts, but I'm still not sure I understand and idk it might just be me being stupid 😅 please elaborate more if you think it'll help me, or just ignore this otherwise

Seshas said:
I don't use readlists as a way to present my thoughts, I use them as a way to organize my thoughts tbh
The only reason I make readlists is because they make me more carefully evaluate the reasons I'm townreading a person in comparison with other people and certain limes from other games
Don't make a readlist if it doesn't help tbh
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honestly after rereading the whole thread and making this readlist, it made me realize I had thoughts I didn't even know I had before I started actually sorting. readlist definitely helped, 10/10, would recommend

@Stryke @storm @kyeugh @Keldeo you've all seemed quieter than I hoped/expected, pls talk more so I can attempt to read you better

@IndigoEmmy @RedneckPhoenix @Zero Moment unless i'm mistaken y'all haven't posted yet even once, pls talk so I can read you at all
 
me: posts a wall of text and then immediately re-reads it combing for things to regret

"very lightly vague bad vibes" is in fact so light that I'm still wishywashy on whether I should have put it under pale orange or red vibes tbh. if I had an edit button I would probably move it back and forth between the two tiers about a dozen times before I fall asleep tbh
 
mewtini said:
semi off-topic and maybe i am simply anxious or reading into this too much but if me posting a lot is sincerely a point of pain i can try to stop, it just is what feels best to me :'D i didn't really think twice about it in tvt but since then i feel like people are maybe sincerely annoyed about it, um, so i'm sorry
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eh, your roughly three posts so far are fine, although yes, after tvt I feel like any effort on anyon's part towards post control is welcome-

we're doing fine if we're clocking out at ten pages on the first (real-time) day, at least, although it seems like stryke is already lost in the sauce-
 
to be quite honest, if i think too hard about my postcount i just end up getting really nervous and not posting at all. that is actually why i post so often (and my low postcount so far is just that i've been busy today/haven't had the ability to do more)
 
JackPK said:
Keldeo - seemed like his usual solveyness/pressing folks in #70 but not so much since then
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oh it just occurred to me to ISO Keldeo and he literally hasn't posted since #70, so that is buttressing my gut feeling that this is more an indicator of lack of time rather than alignment
 
mewtini said:
to be quite honest, if i think too hard about my postcount i just end up getting really nervous and not posting at all. that is actually why i post so often (and my low postcount so far is just that i've been busy today/haven't had the ability to do more)
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honestly this is also me but my response to it is normally to clam up in the first place oof
 
I think my highest confidence read right now is that Mr. Ultracool is town, for similar reasons to the ones Butterfree stated - he seems genuine specifically in claiming his role, in a way that I think he was in TVTropes and was not in Cats. Compare the way he drip-fed information about the swapper role in TVTropes to the way he softed and then claimed.

I think Seshas's solving seems pretty similar to how they were in TVTropes - the MF/Mist associative read in particular reminds me of that game. They've done a decent amount of thinking out loud. I guess I like their tone and the way they put together thoughts, because this isn't actually that much but it feels good enough for now.

I feel like multiple people are seeing something I don't in townreading MF. I wanna be cool.

Jack has felt somewhat self-conscious about mechanics posting, to which I want to say - it's all okay, right, post however you want to post!

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@Trebek, do you have any thoughts :O

@Herbe, what do you think of Jack's reads list?

@Seshas, is your MF townread based on that associative with town Mist? Also, can you talk to me about how your Herbe thoughts intersect with thinking that Mist is town, I don't totally understand?

@mewtini, what would help you feel more "head full" this game? Can you tell me more about how MF seems different to you than in TVT?

@Butterfree, what made you want to point out Jack's post about the scumteam numbers as something that people on MU might want to scumread / can you elaborate on how that line of thought emerged? I guess I personally don't take any issue with it, and I thought kokorico was the one who pointed it out originally. Maybe I'm just missing something?

@JackPK, I have some questions about your reads! Can you elaborate on why you think Seshas's shade of Herbe makes them suspicious, considering that they kind of ended up disavowing that shade - if they were jumping on Herbe, I'd expect something different? You seem to be hinging some of your green reads (Trebek, koko, Herbe) on their responses to this shade, do you have anything in their posts on their own that you like? For Mr. Ultracool, I don't think role speculation and claiming are alignment-indicative; i.e. they may be "anti-town" but do not make him "not town" imo. Also, is there something specific in MF's posting that you don't think she could replicate as mafia?

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JackPK said:
oh it just occurred to me to ISO Keldeo and he literally hasn't posted since #70, so that is buttressing my gut feeling that this is more an indicator of lack of time rather than alignment
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Yeah, I'm trying to play a low-key day 1 so the mafia don't kill me before I can activate my ability that tells me all their names.
 
That wording was pretty poor, sorry. By ability I meant role, riffing off that joke claim VM made in TVTropes.

Please enjoy a friend:

tenor.gif
 
sorry for not posting!! I tried to at least read and keep up but in hindsight doing that with a headache was a bad idea,,

this is my first try at mafia in like. over five years so I'm also just nervous and don't know how much I can contribute, especially with like. the close reading??

I'm feeling better today tho so I'll try to make some sense of the thread now!
 
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