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Ultra Beatdown

Altmer you can't claim that a genre is formulaic and then say a band is bad for being formulaic. That's the only reason why I like it, I happen to like the power metal formula more than most other music so why the hell do I not want 20+ variations on it. All rap sounds exactly the same to me but you see literally hundreds of 'different' rap artists. If someone just loves rap then they most likely will see total differences in the songs despite anyone else saying that it is a slightly different beat with someone talking different lyrics of the exact same nature and style.

Also claiming they suck at what they do is /totally/ different than saying you hate the genre and there is certainly no lack of skill (excluding lecklerc what'shisface and totman's lack of creativity) in the band. Nor am I going to be a dick and claim that they are the most skilled ever, because anyone doing that is arrogant and faggoty and I hate it :(

also herman li specifically stated that he doesn't want to change the way the band is doing it because the whole point of being a superniche genre is that you are, in fact, something a lot of people might not like.

fucking guitar hero
 
Vyraura said:
Altmer you can't claim that a genre is formulaic and then say a band is bad for being formulaic. That's the only reason why I like it, I happen to like the power metal formula more than most other music so why the hell do I not want 20+ variations on it. All rap sounds exactly the same to me but you see literally hundreds of 'different' rap artists. If someone just loves rap then they most likely will see total differences in the songs despite anyone else saying that it is a slightly different beat with someone talking different lyrics of the exact same nature and style.
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You can like it. The album is good if you like 30 variations on the same thing. However, I value a bit more originality in what I listen to...? And you do know most power metal is pretty awful right? Dragonforce is just ONE of the bands in this style that do the same thing over and over and get me all snored over. I don't want to hear the same song, different melody 100x over. I don't find that interesting at all. DragonForce are awful songwriters, period. They write the same song every time and use a couple different variation, often even stealing vocal lines or just adding or dropping a note to them. I understand that as a fan of the band, you want that; the problem is, that apart from the fans of the band, DF's music is going to appeal to exactly fucking nobody because it's so shittily composed. Power metal fans are generally very narrow-minded when it comes to change in their music.

I remember when Sonata Arctica put out Unia and they got a huge backlash in reviews from the press and the fans, who said it wasn't power metal anymore and that they didn't like it because they didn't play rakkatakatak power metal anymore and had decided to do something with their songwriting. What it turns out is that from a musical point of view, Unia is their best album yet because they've shown they can mature and write different songs using different styles and not have it suck or be boring; certainly it caters to more than just the typical power metal fanbase, of which a clear amount also like the record. So Unia was a good move.

Ultra Beatdown, in the long run, is not going to gain DF any new fans; in the long run, it's not gonna do them any good. Soon people are gonna get tired of the DF gimmick and they'll go back to playing for their core audience: lost guitar hero guitarniks, a scattered amount of power metal fans (because I'm pretty sure most power metal fans prefer the GOOD bands in the genre, such as Blind Guardian or Iced Earth or Kamelot).

You see it's not about being formulaic per se; I enjoy some power metal bands for the same reason; DragonForce's formula does not work particularly well in the first place and they see no reason at all to change it up, so it's not fresh anymore, the gimmick isn't fun anymore and I am tired of people hyping this fucking band for being the best thing since sliced bread since they're clearly not as competent as songwriters as most power metal bands.

Also claiming they suck at what they do is /totally/ different than saying you hate the genre and there is certainly no lack of skill (excluding lecklerc what'shisface and totman's lack of creativity) in the band. Nor am I going to be a dick and claim that they are the most skilled ever, because anyone doing that is arrogant and faggoty and I hate it :(
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Dude? Buh? Since when do I hate power metal? That's really the most retarded statement coming from me because you know I am a big, big metal fan and like a lot of power metal. And you know DragonForce are pretty sloppy live right? Most of their stuff is pretty studio-enhanced. Herman Li is about the only one I'd say that has skill.

also herman li specifically stated that he doesn't want to change the way the band is doing it because the whole point of being a superniche genre is that you are, in fact, something a lot of people might not like.
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I know that, and I applaud DragonForce's dedication to what they do, but if they do this I am not buying their albums or supporting the band. DragonForce do not have the songwriting skill of Iron Maiden or Slayer and they just cannot pull off making the same album over and over again. They aren't competent songwriters. They just don't write interesting material enough to do that.

fucking guitar hero
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lol

I'm sorry, you can debate this all you want with me and you're free to like the band, but on the musical aspect, you're really not going to win this.
 
Altmer said:
And you know DragonForce are pretty sloppy live right? Most of their stuff is pretty studio-enhanced. Herman Li is about the only one I'd say that has skill.
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Some of my mates went to see Dragonforce on the Black Crusade tour last year, and they said that they were incredibly sloppy live to the point where most of the crowd were actually booing them. And the bill was filled with stuff like Shadows Fall, Trivium, Machine Head and Arch Enemy, so let's face it it was unlikely to be hardcore metalheads booing them off, most people there would be part of Dragonforce's main fanbase (the dumb shits who bum Roadrunner records part not the power metalhead part).
 
the thing is though that apparently arch enemy rule live and I am pretty sure a band like Machine Head would put on a good show

Trivium are entirely gay though and never heard Shadows Fall but their drummer is supposed to be good (he's friends with the dude from DT)

but then again all the thrash metalheads would just find them excruciatingly gay
 
Altmer said:
the thing is though that apparently arch enemy rule live and I am pretty sure a band like Machine Head would put on a good show

Trivium are entirely gay though and never heard Shadows Fall but their drummer is supposed to be good (he's friends with the dude from DT)

but then again all the thrash metalheads would just find them excruciatingly gay
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I don't mind Arch Enemy's music but apparently they're not brilliant live, Mike Amott's getting old :( Machine Head I'm sure would be alright live, but was just trying to point out that the sort of people who'd be at that gig would be the sort of people who make up a large proportion of Dragonforce's fanbase, so it's quite impressive that they managed to get themselves booed off.
 
Alaphlosiam said:
How can you group those two together?
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check the black crusade lineup

shadows fall - corekiddies band with some thrash influence
arch enemy - good metal, but has crossover appeal to corekiddies
dragonforce - power metal for guitarniks and doesn't fit in the lineup
trivium - corekiddies galore
machine head - good band but the fanbase is substantially corekiddie and some thrash groove metallers

dragonforce doesn't belong on that lineup
 
They're all on the massive mainstream metal labels like Roadrunner though, so the kids who are only casually into metal tend to just be into those bands because they don't know any others, so around here you get plenty of fans of bands like Machine Head and Trivium who also bum Dragonforce because their song came on after Davidian on a Metal Hammer compilation CD or whatever. Obviously you'll get the diehard fans of each band at the gig, but the majority of the people there will be the sort of people who'll listen to whatever rubbish Kerrang and Metal Hammer force down their ears.
 
Their only good album was Sonic Firestorm, in my opinion. It actually had some variety. (Hence "Trail of Broken Hearts" and "Dawn Over a New World" being on it.)

Perhaps this one will be okay.
 
Jetx said:
Then again, so are Dream Theater and Opeth.
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Yeah I know, that's not what I meant. :S As in, a lot of casual fans only like them because they're on Roadrunner because they're not into metal enough to delve further beyond the mainstream labels. I didn't mean they're automatically shit because they're on Roadrunner, just that they will attract a more mainstream audience.
 
Within Temptation was cool until they signed to Roadrunner and started making modern rock Evanescence shit. That's about the extent of what I know about the label, but it's enough to make me hate it.
 
Altmer said:
check the black crusade lineup

shadows fall - corekiddies band with some thrash influence
arch enemy - good metal, but has crossover appeal to corekiddies
dragonforce - power metal for guitarniks and doesn't fit in the lineup
trivium - corekiddies galore
machine head - good band but the fanbase is substantially corekiddie and some thrash groove metallers

dragonforce doesn't belong on that lineup
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I know that; I was just saying, how can you group good groups of people (thrashers) and the shitheads (core) together in a sentence? It's like putting "Krabby Patty" and "never eaten" in the same sentence. :o

No, I'm not seriously saying that. Note the smiley at the end.
 
Furretsu said:
Within Temptation was cool until they signed to Roadrunner and started making modern rock Evanescence shit. That's about the extent of what I know about the label, but it's enough to make me hate it.
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opeth is on it

that makes the label insta-cool
 
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