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er, I meant to say exporter. My mistake. By GDP, it's the second-strongest economy.
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USA will disintegrate in June
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er, I meant to say exporter. My mistake. By GDP, it's the second-strongest economy.
Dr Frank
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Teh Ebil Snorlax
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Excellent map, much more accurate than the Russian professor's. I may simply believe he views America as a radical Capitalist Soviet Russia and wishes to see a break up.
I cannot wait to see more kings that are human manifestations of energy attacks from Japanese children's anime.
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No offense, Ebil Snorlax, but I've got my own take on things. (I hope that you won't mind that I blatantly edited your map.)
Reasoning behind my groupings:
CASCADIA: Pretty much just the (generally) liberal arboreal west coast.
TEXAS: I cannot imagine Texas leaving the United States only to join a new union. I figure that if Texas leaves America, it's going it alone.
MÉXICO NUEVO: Latinos seem to dominate a region of some size north of the US-Mexico border. While not all Latinos are Mexican, a Latino union would be believable, and historically, this has been (or at least included) New Mexico.
TRANS-COLORADO: Honestly, I'm not too sure myself about this region. My general hypothesis is that in this region, while the same political attitude does not prevail as in either Cascadia or Ogallania, neither are Mormons or Latinos prevalent forces in the region.
DESERTET: Mormons. That's about it.
JESUSLAND: From what I've experienced from my time in this part of the country, in general, Jesus is big. Seriously. My biggest gripe with this general area's representation on Snorlax's map was that he seemed to think that none of the Great Lakes states or West Virginia would join it. They would. They've got parts far too rural and pious not to. I spent a week in Terra Haute Indiana once. I'd imagine that Cairo Illinois and Louisville Kentucky would have similar vibes.
OGALLANIA: While the Great Plains aren't quite as zealous as Jesusland is, they're still pretty... boring. This union would include most of the rest of rural America (that is, what wouldn't be in Jesusland).
SSA: Generally, this region seems to tend toward the liberal end of the American political spectrum, and one might predict it to stay intact for this reason. Personally, I'd consider this the valid successor to the United States.
FLORIDA CUBANA: Frankly, the name's probably totally wrong. Anyway, I don't know what to say about this. It looks right to me, but I've really only ever been to Florida once, and that was just a trip through the everglades to kill time between when our ship docked and when our plane left. And the Everglades do not make a culture, let me tell you. (Neat trip, eh, sure. Cultural experience, no.)
HAWAI'I: Self explanatory.
ALASKA: I envision Palin as Prime Minister or President. Or Dictator. Who's to say?
Reasoning behind my groupings:
CASCADIA: Pretty much just the (generally) liberal arboreal west coast.
TEXAS: I cannot imagine Texas leaving the United States only to join a new union. I figure that if Texas leaves America, it's going it alone.
MÉXICO NUEVO: Latinos seem to dominate a region of some size north of the US-Mexico border. While not all Latinos are Mexican, a Latino union would be believable, and historically, this has been (or at least included) New Mexico.
TRANS-COLORADO: Honestly, I'm not too sure myself about this region. My general hypothesis is that in this region, while the same political attitude does not prevail as in either Cascadia or Ogallania, neither are Mormons or Latinos prevalent forces in the region.
DESERTET: Mormons. That's about it.
JESUSLAND: From what I've experienced from my time in this part of the country, in general, Jesus is big. Seriously. My biggest gripe with this general area's representation on Snorlax's map was that he seemed to think that none of the Great Lakes states or West Virginia would join it. They would. They've got parts far too rural and pious not to. I spent a week in Terra Haute Indiana once. I'd imagine that Cairo Illinois and Louisville Kentucky would have similar vibes.
OGALLANIA: While the Great Plains aren't quite as zealous as Jesusland is, they're still pretty... boring. This union would include most of the rest of rural America (that is, what wouldn't be in Jesusland).
SSA: Generally, this region seems to tend toward the liberal end of the American political spectrum, and one might predict it to stay intact for this reason. Personally, I'd consider this the valid successor to the United States.
FLORIDA CUBANA: Frankly, the name's probably totally wrong. Anyway, I don't know what to say about this. It looks right to me, but I've really only ever been to Florida once, and that was just a trip through the everglades to kill time between when our ship docked and when our plane left. And the Everglades do not make a culture, let me tell you. (Neat trip, eh, sure. Cultural experience, no.)
HAWAI'I: Self explanatory.
ALASKA: I envision Palin as Prime Minister or President. Or Dictator. Who's to say?
Teh Ebil Snorlax
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To be honest, I can see several basic flaws with your map right off;
1) It completely ignores state boundaries. While the country obviously wouldn't split right along state lines, there should be boundaries which are noticeably former state lines. The only state line you've used is a small bit of Texas's.
2) The boundaries you've drawn are at best, purely geographical, whereas if the US split, it would disintegrate on political lines.
3) Your Deseret is centred on Idaho, which doesn't actually have a high amount of Mormons. Mormonland is Utah, South California, East Nevada, Arizona and maybe a little bit of south-eastern Idaho and south-western Nebraska.
4) Even though you say that Texas would go out as its own Republic, you actually include less than half of Texas in your Republic.
5) Your Latino union is based around New Mexico and Arizona, both of which have a high percentage of Hispanics in their population, 45% and 29% respectively. In both states, Hispanics are a minority, albeit a significant minority. Hispanic Americans are from a wide variety of backgrounds, with vastly different cultures, some of which share animosity for one another. The idea of a Latino union is therefore unlikely.
6) Your Trans-Colorado goes right across Nevada and Utah with only a tiny portion within Colorado itself. You claim that this nation would exist because of a lack of Mormon or Latino influence, but it's dominated by two states which are a significant part of the Mormon Corridor, the Mormon equivalent of the Bible Belt.
7) Your Jesusland is based entirely on Christianity, ignoring the fact that there are hundreds of denominations of Christianity, some of which bitterly hate each other and wouldn't want to unite to share a country.
8) Florida Cubana just seems like an asspull to do something with Florida, without any valid reason behind it.
9) In an environment where the country is splitting, it's fairly unlikely that the part of the Socialist States on the Northern Peninsula would stay part of the Socialist States, especially since there's already a relatively strong separatist movement for the part of Michigan located there to become another state called Superior.
10) Also in relation to the Socialist States, liberal =/= socialist.
Also, in relation to your comments on my "Jesusland", Cairo actually is in it, as is the entire state of Kentucky and most of West Virginia. The reason the Great Lakes states aren't part of the Holy Democratic Republic is that due to their proximity to Washington, D.C., the federal government would make moves to secure them over the other states because there's little use in California being under the federal government in D.C. if D.C. is completely surrounded by another country.
I used this map as my basis, if you compare it to mine and your's, you'll see what I was talking about.
All in all, the map seems based entirely on personal opinion without little consideration for demographics, politics, etc. and you've generally misplaced locations by several thousand miles.
1) It completely ignores state boundaries. While the country obviously wouldn't split right along state lines, there should be boundaries which are noticeably former state lines. The only state line you've used is a small bit of Texas's.
2) The boundaries you've drawn are at best, purely geographical, whereas if the US split, it would disintegrate on political lines.
3) Your Deseret is centred on Idaho, which doesn't actually have a high amount of Mormons. Mormonland is Utah, South California, East Nevada, Arizona and maybe a little bit of south-eastern Idaho and south-western Nebraska.
4) Even though you say that Texas would go out as its own Republic, you actually include less than half of Texas in your Republic.
5) Your Latino union is based around New Mexico and Arizona, both of which have a high percentage of Hispanics in their population, 45% and 29% respectively. In both states, Hispanics are a minority, albeit a significant minority. Hispanic Americans are from a wide variety of backgrounds, with vastly different cultures, some of which share animosity for one another. The idea of a Latino union is therefore unlikely.
6) Your Trans-Colorado goes right across Nevada and Utah with only a tiny portion within Colorado itself. You claim that this nation would exist because of a lack of Mormon or Latino influence, but it's dominated by two states which are a significant part of the Mormon Corridor, the Mormon equivalent of the Bible Belt.
7) Your Jesusland is based entirely on Christianity, ignoring the fact that there are hundreds of denominations of Christianity, some of which bitterly hate each other and wouldn't want to unite to share a country.
8) Florida Cubana just seems like an asspull to do something with Florida, without any valid reason behind it.
9) In an environment where the country is splitting, it's fairly unlikely that the part of the Socialist States on the Northern Peninsula would stay part of the Socialist States, especially since there's already a relatively strong separatist movement for the part of Michigan located there to become another state called Superior.
10) Also in relation to the Socialist States, liberal =/= socialist.
Also, in relation to your comments on my "Jesusland", Cairo actually is in it, as is the entire state of Kentucky and most of West Virginia. The reason the Great Lakes states aren't part of the Holy Democratic Republic is that due to their proximity to Washington, D.C., the federal government would make moves to secure them over the other states because there's little use in California being under the federal government in D.C. if D.C. is completely surrounded by another country.
I used this map as my basis, if you compare it to mine and your's, you'll see what I was talking about.
All in all, the map seems based entirely on personal opinion without little consideration for demographics, politics, etc. and you've generally misplaced locations by several thousand miles.
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I was basing my percentage on the 2008 census, so I guess it's possible it changed.
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From 2007:
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I did say plurality, not majority, the point being that they are not a minority.
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There's a reason for this, you see: Without the original, I had practically no reference for where anything was. I didn't center Deseret around Idaho on purpose, believe me. As such, a revision may be well deserved, but honestly, I'm not sure that I can take this seriously enough to spend the time to remake my map.
The reason that in several cases I have shunned state borders (even in cases where I might have known where state borders fell) for less obvious ones is that I would imagine that in the event of a federal collapse, civil war would break loose. If war were to break loose, borders would surely be changed.
A final inquiry: how is flaw three a flaw at all? Names aren't always like they should be. Take the Democratic People's Republic of Korea- North Korea, that is- which isn't a people's democracy at all, and includes at the very most, two thirds of what is actually Korea.
So yeah, that's about all I have to say, said or implied. I think.