Blank Canvas Mafia Game Thread

[mewtini]

oh, and I think @DarkAura is going to be streaming by EoD, so, pspspspspsps get in here before then-

oh man 72 hours is always way shorter than I think it is—

I'll have to do another read through the thread in the morning so as to have more informed thoughts in general, but it's been so long since I've played a long form game like this that I have little confidence in my reads atm lmaoo. Everyone's killing it though, I love seeing the back-and-forth tit-for-tat outta youse all!

for now though, zzzzz honk shoo mimimi. or... honk moo mimimi? much to consider...

plzzz i want to play with you before the Day ends

 

[mewtini]

ok i have to go off for a while before i come back and read beyond skimming, but before i forget, i'm remembering that mawile was locked the fuck in as wolf in tvt revival so maybe being silent isn't as indicative as i thought idk. the only other things they've done from what i remember were
- the tcodfia tip post (NAI? i kneejerk leaned wolf on that but they probably just wrote that up before gamestart)
- the setup tinfoil hatting, which i think they would do as either alignment

i think i was projecting based on my wolfgame

 

[missingno?]

fwiw my vote kind of also lies between mawile/missingno but i am kind of like ;___; i want more time to play with them. i am irked that mawile's engagement has been basically 100% limited to focusing on the health of their slot. and i share concerns w/mf and eif about missingno trying to Project Innocent & Newbie Town. i also think that if i take my "well, missingno has some level of exposure/experience" thought to its end, i would also have hoped that they'd have some sort of reads by this point

I am simply hopelessly dedicated to The Bit.

Jokes aside though, I'm not sure it counts as a read, but my thoughts would be something like...

1. Keldeo and Butterfree are very good at leading the conversation, which makes them both either really helpful or really scary.
2. I am a very convenient target at the moment because I'm soooo funny because of how nebulous people see me right now, so I'm a little curious about MF (moreso than Eifie), but it really could just be Townie Being Suspicious Of A Guy Acting Funny-Suspicious so that's a moot point. And also feels a little too I'M NOT THE IMPOSTER, YOU'RE THE IMPOSTER ( ☞˙ワ˙)☞ for me to be comfortable positing in complete seriousness.

So nothing I think of as particularly helpful!

I'd also like to note that my stint playing amogus ඞ was pre-covid. So I'm familiar, but so, so rusty.

 

[mewtini]

Keldeo and Butterfree are very good at leading the conversation, which makes them both either really helpful or really scary.

this is literally me every time i play with them

i had an ultimately-correct gut feeling the one time i played against keldeo as wolf which makes me want to believe he's towning right now, but it's been such a long time that i feel like a lot of us are just hyped to be here again so ?

 

[mewtini]

i had an ultimately-correct gut feeling the one time i played against keldeo as wolf

To be clear: not to say that i made the correct actions in that game.

 

[mewtini]

i had an ultimately-correct gut feeling the one time i played against keldeo as wolf

To be clear: not to say that i made the correct *choices in that game.

that was literally not a phrase that exists and it sounded too ugly to not correct

where is my mason btw @kyeugh

 

[Ephemera]

Day 1 Votecount:

Mawile - 1 (Keldeo)
MF the ISOable - 1 (Ever)
No Elimination - 1 (Mawile)

not voting - 9 (Butterfree, DarkAura, Dodge, Eifie, kyeugh, mewtini, MF the ISOable, missingno?, xrunner48)

Let me know if I missed your vote!

There are 21 hours and 17 minutes until EOD.

 

[Keldeo]

DarkAura!! Hi!!! Would love to hear any thoughts you have when you're up, even and especially if they're not confident or definite!

Spoiler: not game-related

72 hours is both so short and so long, lol. I played a handful of asynchronous games of the board game Blood on the Clocktower last year (highly recommended for fans of role-heavy social deduction), and I really appreciated that there was no deadline pressure in the format. The day phases basically moved on when everyone was ready. The typical forum mafia voting system is probably like fundamentally incompatible with a deadline system like that, but one can wish.

I'm a little curious about MF (moreso than Eifie)

Could I ask you to explain the difference there?

If I asked you to place a vote right now, who would you vote?

[missingno] seem easygoing in the way that a wolf w/tmi might be?

Can you say more about this? Where do you think their TMI would come into play - like, knowing that town are on the wrong track, or what? I find it, I guess you could say "interesting" that missingno has been one of the more active people in this game while expressing literally one opinion related to anyone's alignment, haha, but that seems to be the opposite of how I hear TMI used.

Also, virtual handshake about being less intense! I hope this game has been fun for you so far!!


@Ephemera, Eifie also voted for Mawile!

 

[mewtini]

Can you say more about this? Where do you think their TMI would come into play - like, knowing that town are on the wrong track, or what? I find it, I guess you could say "interesting" that missingno has been one of the more active people in this game while expressing literally one opinion related to anyone's alignment, haha, but that seems to be the opposite of how I hear TMI used.

tmi in the sense that they have knowledge that makes them not give a fuck about votes being thrown around. eg if mawile is town then i would see this as being a bit weird for missingno

 

[missingno?]

Could I ask you to explain the difference there?

If I asked you to place a vote right now, who would you vote?

Sure! Eifie's original sussing at me felt more like an afterthought/offhand, whereas MF feels more deliberate in terms of pointing the finger. (☞ <-- finger included for reference purposes), so it feels a little bit more calculated than Eifie's (if calculated at all, going on the assumption that I'm a yummy convenient target). It's not a hard accusation by any means.

If I had to vote, gun to my head, probably MF, if only for no other leads really sticking out to me.

 

[missingno?]

Can you say more about this? Where do you think their TMI would come into play - like, knowing that town are on the wrong track, or what? I find it, I guess you could say "interesting" that missingno has been one of the more active people in this game while expressing literally one opinion related to anyone's alignment, haha, but that seems to be the opposite of how I hear TMI used.

tmi in the sense that they have knowledge that makes them not give a fuck about votes being thrown around. eg if mawile is town then i would see this as being a bit weird for missingno

My easy breeze personality... betrays me?!?! Σ(ﾟ口ﾟ;)//

 

[Keldeo]

If I had to vote, gun to my head, probably MF, if only for no other leads really sticking out to me.

Is there a particular reason you don't want to actually place that vote yet?

I don't know that I agree with the assertion that you were an easy target at the time that MF posted her reads, since iirc that was after Butterfree posted her reads, where she had you as light town. But if you're town I urge you to vote based on your beliefs!

 

[Ever]

In all honesty I made my vote for MF between reading posts at work, so I can't pretend it was a fully informed choice. I do agree with what a couple people said WRT to it seeming more baity than a genuine blunder (possibly my previous groupchat/IRL experience influencing me as people are much more likely to make that kind of mistake with time pressure against them). That said, I'm glad to have stirred the pot a little and am not currently interested in rescinding my vote, since it still sticks out to me as a weird play.

I could also be getting totally schooled because I didn't bother to read anyone's game history. I probably will once we get a bit more into it but I'd like to feel out the vibes after a night before I start reading into any comparisons too hard.

I do have a couple questions about terminology, specifically AI and TMI? Guessing that in this context they stand for things other than artificial intelligence and too much information.

 

[mewtini]

I do have a couple questions about terminology, specifically AI and TMI? Guessing that in this context they stand for things other than artificial intelligence and too much information.

AI - alignment indicative
TMI is indeed too much information (referring to the fact that wolves have knowledge that they have to hide)

 

[Mawile]

What's up I'm Mawile and I never learned how to read (other players in mafia. Seriously I have been doing this for how long and I am still always either completely guessing or utterly wrong or just Never Give Any Takes)

Anyway here are a couple of takes that I came up with while thinking about eating some cereal (I am not getting the cereal until I write this post. Because otherwise it will evaporate in my brain):

Vote: MF the ISOable, on the basis of mentioning missing a night action.

My mildly tinfoil hat theory here is that Ever doesn't have a night action and is some flavor of vanilla. Leaning slightly more townie I guess because I feel like if ve was mafia then the other mafia would be able to tell ver that "hey no we (probably?) don't have night actions either it doesn't mean anything" (I feel like this isn't the type of game to give mafia both regular night actions and a factional kill but maybe I am wrong!)
My absolute tinfoil hat theory is that Ever is lost wolf and desperately trying to get mafia attention so ve isn't voted out. But that's just me tinfoil hatting on the intro post's brief mention of lost wolves LMAO

It's been pretty interesting seeing what people make of my general demeanor and japes, especially since it's either made me really sus, or more towny. Going 'heeheehee look at me I'm soooooo innocent' is a fun 50/50 coin to flip, I think.

If I had to vote, gun to my head, probably MF, if only for no other leads really sticking out to me.

Thankfully this is a no-3rd party win conditions game so I don't have to sound like I'm alien/jester/whatever trying to vote farm d1 or whatever but I'm very curious why you wouldn't be suspicious of the person (me) who is pretty much at the bottom of everyone's reads list (sometimes alongside you!)

As usual, Butterfree/Keldeo/Mewtini seem to be posting. Which is not alignment indicative for any of them for me specifically because I read their posts and I nod along because they know how mafia works. Also Eifie is there too

 

[Mawile]

Also that quote post isn't a vote btw I just forgot to unbold it when I quoted it. Okay cereal time

 

[Keldeo]

(I feel like this isn't the type of game to give mafia both regular night actions and a factional kill but maybe I am wrong!)

I thought you said you'd been reading the OP, and the OP says that vanilla mafia may or may not exist - were you interpreting that some other way than "mafia might have other night actions"?

 

[Mawile]

were you interpreting that some other way than "mafia might have other night actions"?

I was thinking more like OOCTVT in which I went insane and gave every mafia member a regular night action + a one-shot night action they could do + the factional kill

 

[missingno?]

If I had to vote, gun to my head, probably MF, if only for no other leads really sticking out to me.

Is there a particular reason you don't want to actually place that vote yet?

I don't know that I agree with the assertion that you were an easy target at the time that MF posted her reads, since iirc that was after Butterfree posted her reads, where she had you as light town. But if you're town I urge you to vote based on your beliefs!

In a game sense, I think I mentioned before that I don't particularly enjoy voting on Day One, No Murder, No Roles Going Off (yet); even if I better understand why people are doing it now.

In a less game-specific sense, I did notice the last time ya'll played was over a year ago in 2024, and I don't really wanna be the reason someone eager to finally get to play again gets pushed off the boat Immediately, so-to-speak.

Regarding MF, I could be misremembering, but I think a few people were commenting on my #HeeHeeI'mTown suspicious activities before Butterfree made her post. I'll double check tomorrow when I'm less sleepy. ꒰｡- ᴗ - ｡꒱ ᶻzᶻzᶻz

Thankfully this is a no-3rd party win conditions game so I don't have to sound like I'm alien/jester/whatever trying to vote farm d1 or whatever but I'm very curious why you wouldn't be suspicious of the person (me) who is pretty much at the bottom of everyone's reads list (sometimes alongside you!)

As usual, Butterfree/Keldeo/Mewtini seem to be posting. Which is not alignment indicative for any of them for me specifically because I read their posts and I nod along because they know how mafia works. Also Eifie is there too

I guess I haven't seen anything you've said that makes you particularly suspicious To Me? Worry-voting No Elim feels like something I would do (╭ರ_•́) regardless of which role I had (third-party 'trying to get killed' roles aside), so it didn't read too weird to me.

 

[Mawile]

ve was mafia then the other mafia would be able to tell ver that "hey no we (probably?) don't have night actions either it doesn't mean anything" (I feel like this isn't the type of game to give mafia both regular night actions and a factional kill but maybe I am wrong!)

i think what i was trying to say here was that like. this game is a "normal game" that has vanilla mafia members and is not like ooctvt, so if ever was mafia and was going to post ver thoughts in mafia chat (to vote MF on the basis of havign a night action) then the other mafia would be like "wait but that doesn't mean anything though". unless the other mafia are all new players or something (potentially unlucky rand)

in retrospective maybe that part of the take doesn't make sense but i still stand by the whole "ever is probably just vanilla [town/mafia]" thing based on that vote reasoning