Blank Canvas Mafia Game Thread

[missingno?]

Also I am getting melatonin'd and also edible'd to zonk myself out for work tomorrow so if anyone asks me more thinking questions I'll get to 'em in the morning! (`･ω･´)ゞ

 

[Keldeo]

Thanks for clarifying, Mawile! I think I understand better now. I think if every individual mafia member had a power role/night action, that would be a pretty normal/reasonable/expected closed setup, but it sounds like you don't think that is the case.

I guess I still don't really understand the broader idea that Ever would consult the mafia chat about whether something was properly suspicious before posting a vote based on it, particularly given ve said ve posted the vote while busy. But I'm also not particularly interested in talking about whether or not ve has a role, so it maybe doesn't make sense to continue the conversation

 

[Mawile]

I guess I still don't really understand the broader idea that Ever would consult the mafia chat about whether something was properly suspicious before posting a vote based on it

i think this is mostly because this is something i would do as mafia LOL. love to consult the group chat before making a post that people have opinions on

particularly given ve said ve posted the vote while busy

yea i think ve posted while i was writing the Long Post. because i kept ignoring the little popup saying that there were new posts while i was writing

 

[Keldeo]

The main tonal notes Dodge has hit I've read as, if not uncomfortable, uncertain and a bit deferential (many question marks, and some examples:)

Spoiler

Am new, am bad, wanna do a learn

I soft trust her, a bit, sorta?

I don't mean that I think ya'll are wrong, just that I'm missing something and I wanna learn to town good lol

So I'm confused by MF and Butterfree both calling him relaxed. I read his games from ~a year ago and didn't get this sense from either mafia or town Dodge, except mafia Dodge saying "I'm not evil, just bad", which I don't think really counts. Maybe you had to be there?

@Eifie, you said MF's worldview matched yours; do you agree with MF that Dodge is town (or perhaps just likelier town than missingno)? Why?

ps: I was confused to a lesser degree by MF saying that her scumreads, missingno and Mawile, were "kind of only speaking when spoken to" but also townreading Dodge. I don't think Dodge has posted anything that wasn't in reply to someone else; he was less self-focused than either of them at that point, but all in response to questions. At the same time, I don't think that being able to post without prompting is AI for him - he didn't seem to have trouble with that in either of the games I read.

 

[Keldeo]

mewt, I am curious what you meant by this:

Spoiler

i don't really want to axe mawile because i legit think that their play so far could be NAI, i feel like they always take a while to lock in and usually don't settle in until later on.

before i forget, i'm remembering that mawile was locked the fuck in as wolf in tvt revival so maybe being silent isn't as indicative as i thought idk. the only other things they've done from what i remember were
- the tcodfia tip post (NAI? i kneejerk leaned wolf on that but they probably just wrote that up before gamestart)
- the setup tinfoil hatting, which i think they would do as either alignment

It sounds like in the first post, you're saying that Mawile's relative inactivity is NAI (not AI). I'm confused why in your second post it sounds like that changed because you remembered that he was active as mafia. Wouldn't that make staying under the radar still NAI?

I'm also wondering what you think of his long post. I thought asking missingno for his opinion on him was a good point, but it was wrapped in a lot of self-consciousness, but I think maybe that's just Mawile.

 

[xrunner48]

Who to vote ....

Since it's the first day there is barely any evidence for anything, so it's quite difficult to vote - maybe some re-reading could help?

If I don't find anything suspicious today then I'll probably vote for no one (or whatever the no one vote was called)
I know I don't need to vote for someone but it'll probably be worth analyising all of the messages here.

Also, if you are the imposter mafia murder person, please maybe avoid killing the new player...

Well, it's re-reading time, I guess.

 

[Keldeo]

@xrunner48, it's good to hear from you! Regardless of whether you vote or not, it would be great to hear any observations or conclusions you have about people here as you read the game! I have two general questions for you, if you don't mind: What actions do you see as suspicious? And have you played any games that are similar to mafia before?

@Ever, would also love anything not-MF-related that you have to share, whenever you have time! By the way, I think it's no problem to not have read past games - most of the people here haven't played in a year or more, I think.

 

[Keldeo]

Spoiler: What do you call a particularly eager bovine?

Willing and a bull!

Spoiler: What do you call a particularly eager bovine?

Cowmitted to the bit!

Spoiler: What do you call a particularly eager bovine?

Keldeo

 

[xrunner48]

@xrunner48, it's good to hear from you! Regardless of whether you vote or not, it would be great to hear any observations or conclusions you have about people here as you read the game! I have two general questions for you, if you don't mind: What actions do you see as suspicious? And have you played any games that are similar to mafia before?

@Ever, would also love anything not-MF-related that you have to share, whenever you have time! By the way, I think it's no problem to not have read past games - most of the people here haven't played in a year or more, I think.

I've played "Among Us" before, which is somewhat similar to Mafia with the social deduction premise.

In terms of suspicious behaviour, there doesn't seem to be too much yet. The instant vote with no proof seemed strange, but it could just be something to start discussion so I won't look into it too much. Maybe some more re-reading and "ISO" will help, but I don't really think there is any concrete proof just yet.

 

[MF the ISOable]

MF, I am curious if you have examples of Dodge seeming relaxed. He's actually seemed quite self-conscious/self-deprecating to me. (I guess that isn't the same as not relaxed, but.) Probably I should just go read that game where he was mafia...

I was admittedly just going off the top of my head there; a proper ISO might change my mind yet. we'll see in a bit, I suppose!

fwiw my vote kind of also lies between mawile/missingno but i am kind of like ;___; i want more time to play with them.

mood, it does suck having to pick someone to bump off, especially in a game with as many surprise returns as this one. alas! 'tis the nature of the game

I don't know that I agree with the assertion that you were an easy target at the time that MF posted her reads, since iirc that was after Butterfree posted her reads, where she had you as light town. But if you're town I urge you to vote based on your beliefs!

fwiw, I had not noticed Eifie or Butterfree also posting reads on missingno?, and noticed the "I'm town guyse" bit independently

I do have a couple questions about terminology, specifically AI and TMI? Guessing that in this context they stand for things other than artificial intelligence and too much information.

AI - alignment indicative
TMI is indeed too much information (referring to the fact that wolves have knowledge that they have to hide)

I'm starting to think it might be worthwhile to have like, a forum mafia slang megathread the way we've generally gone in that direction-

Spoiler: What do you call a particularly eager bovine?

Willing and a bull!

Spoiler: What do you call a particularly eager bovine?

Cowmitted to the bit!

Spoiler: What do you call a particularly eager bovine?

Keldeo

you're really milking that one for all it's worth huh?

 

[mewtini]

i would recommend that people look up mafiascum’s definitions of most of the mafia abbreviations we use tbh

also i just furiously cleaned and packed and am going to sleep to wake up for a flight in a few hours <3 so we’ll see how much i can do between now and EoD

 

[Eifie]

relatedly, i will say that i am consciously trying to be less intense this game -- i took a long break from playing mafia because i was getting legitimately negatively emotionally impacted by it

ya lmao
I think I'm doing okay at not letting it completely take over my mind but I'm not nearly as whatever about it as I wanted to be don't think I will play again.

anyway I deleted the rest of your quote because I wanted to reply to that part but also I gotta say I have no idea what you mean about the "as a wolf with tmi would be" part. and I have the dumbest opinion about your saying that but idk if I actually wanna express it

 

[Eifie]

Null: Butterfree, Keldeo, mewtini
all three have been active and engaged, but all three are the sort who play that way for, literally, the love of the game

i giggled

fwiw my vote kind of also lies between mawile/missingno but i am kind of like ;___; i want more time to play with them. i am irked that mawile's engagement has been basically 100% limited to focusing on the health of their slot. and i share concerns w/mf and eif about missingno trying to Project Innocent & Newbie Town. i also think that if i take my "well, missingno has some level of exposure/experience" thought to its end, i would also have hoped that they'd have some sort of reads by this point

i don't really want to axe mawile because i legit think that their play so far could be NAI, i feel like they always take a while to lock in and usually don't settle in until later on. so secretly i hope i can vote outside of these two

huh. hm. I always get the feeling if what I think turns out to be a dominant sentiment of the thread there's probably something wrong with it lol. but man I just cannot figure out someone else I want to vote when so much of the player list is like, not here yet. wah

 

[Eifie]

Can you say more about this? Where do you think their TMI would come into play - like, knowing that town are on the wrong track, or what? I find it, I guess you could say "interesting" that missingno has been one of the more active people in this game while expressing literally one opinion related to anyone's alignment, haha, but that seems to be the opposite of how I hear TMI used.

tmi in the sense that they have knowledge that makes them not give a fuck about votes being thrown around. eg if mawile is town then i would see this as being a bit weird for missingno

is that any different from most of the thread? I'm not sure anyone particularly cares about the votes being thrown around except Mawile

 

[Eifie]

The main tonal notes Dodge has hit I've read as, if not uncomfortable, uncertain and a bit deferential (many question marks, and some examples:)

Spoiler

Am new, am bad, wanna do a learn

I soft trust her, a bit, sorta?

I don't mean that I think ya'll are wrong, just that I'm missing something and I wanna learn to town good lol

So I'm confused by MF and Butterfree both calling him relaxed. I read his games from ~a year ago and didn't get this sense from either mafia or town Dodge, except mafia Dodge saying "I'm not evil, just bad", which I don't think really counts. Maybe you had to be there?

@Eifie, you said MF's worldview matched yours; do you agree with MF that Dodge is town (or perhaps just likelier town than missingno)? Why?

ps: I was confused to a lesser degree by MF saying that her scumreads, missingno and Mawile, were "kind of only speaking when spoken to" but also townreading Dodge. I don't think Dodge has posted anything that wasn't in reply to someone else; he was less self-focused than either of them at that point, but all in response to questions. At the same time, I don't think that being able to post without prompting is AI for him - he didn't seem to have trouble with that in either of the games I read.

it's not a complete match but pretty similar. I don't think I town read anyone except Ever. my opinion about Dodge is I guess, I'm very happy that he's trying, like, he's not responding just "I don't know" to everything. he is actually giving stances, however soft. him questioning us on the Ever read, saying he actually read it as mafia behaviour, is something that sticks out maybe a bit positively to me. (I guess that's also not just speaking when spoken to, despite what you said?)

in general, I don't think only speaking when spoken to is alignment indicative for a newer player. I had no fucking clue what I was supposed to talk about in my first games. I mean that's the whole reason I was asking Dodge and missingno? stuff earlier, in hopes that I could help them get into things.

Mawile on the other hand is by no means new, so that could mean something for it. I'm glad it's posting more now though I haven't been swayed much as it was mostly setup speculation.

relatedly, I find "they would have said/asked this in mafia chat" reads to be generally baseless. people have this picture of mafia chats as a lot more coordinated than I think they actually turn out to be. do you remember how I used to complain about the mafia chat reads

 

[Eifie]

@Keldeo can I get a picture of where you are at on people in general? I actually don't have much idea what you think of people

also yes I'm being hypocritical by not posting a reads list of my own because I find that when I start organizing things into a list properly like that, I get attached to it and my view of the game becomes too inflexible. so well you don't actually have to give a list if you think it would be a bad idea...

also can you please give me an excuse to use Fally's fun fact pun? I've been waiting all game

 

[Eifie]

tbh the fact that I have very little idea of what Keldeo's reads are right now is probably a good sign for him. when he's town he is always hopelessly confused and keldizzy (affectionate), while as mafia I think? he forms more concrete stances.

 

[Eifie]

keldizzy for your consideration (from the PMD sprite repository)

 

[DarkAura]

DarkAura!! Hi!!! Would love to hear any thoughts you have when you're up, even and especially if they're not confident or definite!

Spoiler: not game-related

72 hours is both so short and so long, lol. I played a handful of asynchronous games of the board game Blood on the Clocktower last year (highly recommended for fans of role-heavy social deduction), and I really appreciated that there was no deadline pressure in the format. The day phases basically moved on when everyone was ready. The typical forum mafia voting system is probably like fundamentally incompatible with a deadline system like that, but one can wish.

Spoiler: also not game related

Oooo yesss, I've seen some of my friends play BotC! I don't know if it's the standard way to do it, but we played it in a Discord server where people could hop in and out of a few separate VCs as they pleased, which made piecing together contradictory stories a BLAST in the moment. I chose to just spectate the first time to get a feel for it, but man I'm just chomping at the bit for the next time my friend group decides to play it again lmfao

Statistically this surely can't be the case, but idk I'm getting townreads from everyone here? All the pokes and probes just feel authentic to me, and I don't really have the sorta game sense to pick up on how people naturally play in an alignment indicative sense.

Out of the new peeps playing, I get more of a solid town vibe from missingno? on account of how they've pretty actively engaged convo-wise. Also I really love the kaomojis, like???

xrunner seems to be playing a little more passively, which I can't really decide is AI or just "newcomer who's playing neutrally" quite yet.

I've played "Among Us" before, which is somewhat similar to Mafia with the social deduction premise.

In terms of suspicious behaviour, there doesn't seem to be too much yet. The instant vote with no proof seemed strange, but it could just be something to start discussion so I won't look into it too much. Maybe some more re-reading and "ISO" will help, but I don't really think there is any concrete proof just yet.

Could you elaborate a little on the "concrete proof" bit, if there's anything to elaborate on? I feel like by the nature of Day 1 start means there generally wouldn't be anything concrete for people to latch onto, so any votes would probably just be soul reads more than anything. :V

Who haven't we heard from in the thread yet, is it just @kyeugh ? I know her post in the sign-up thread said she'd be spotty during the first day, but I hope we get to see at least a few posts from her before the day ends!

...

omg wait.

cowmoji.

 

[Keldeo]

you're really milking that one for all it's worth huh?

Well, I promised cow jokes, but no one is laughing so maybe I should stop.

@Keldeo can I get a picture of where you are at on people in general? I actually don't have much idea what you think of people

I don't either; I have had a lot of trouble with reads. I don't find most of what's posted so far to be AI (it's all...), and I guess nothing much concrete will happen until closer to the deadline, which is just like, wah. Would you find it helpful if I reread anyone specific? Or gave my thoughts on every player in one place?

My strongest read, and this will not surprise you: I am almost certain Eifie is town, because of effort and activity* but also because in her posting this morning she's expressed basically the main emotion I feel, which is being invested in the game and wanting to solve, but both surprised and frustrated that I'm that invested when a significant portion of the players have not posted anything I feel I can latch onto.**
*It's in her mafia range to, like, post. I just don't think she would care to do it to the extent she has been.
**Just to be clear, I have no negative feelings whatsoever toward anyone for being busy or being less active! It's just a game on the internet!

Oh, and Ever's latest post felt a little preemptive in an odd way, but I still think ve is town

tbh the fact that I have very little idea of what Keldeo's reads are right now is probably a good sign for him. when he's town he is always hopelessly confused and keldizzy (affectionate), while as mafia I think? he forms more concrete stances.

For all the people going "I don't know how to read Keldeo because he always sounds reasonable and posts a lot", this is generally true.

By the way, do you feel like "mafia forcing agenda-ed reads" applies to anyone? I have maybe one person in mind but would need to review.