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BtVS Club

THEY'VE GOT THEM HOPPY LEGS AND TWITCHY LITTLE NOSES

(Also, I've been watching more season two. Halloween was fun - I didn't recognize Ethan until he started talking to the statue, but when I did, I had the strangest ultra-fangasm despite not knowing Ethan very well, probably mostly because where there's Ethan, there's Giles. Also enjoyed Lie to Me. Right now I'm in the middle of The Dark Age and eeeee Giles. <3 Though I see that Critically Touched gives it a 60% rating so I'm really wondering what the hell happens in the rest of it that's pulling it down that far. D: Right now it may be my favorite episode so far but that's because I'm silly and fangirly and GILES.)
 
AND WHAT'S WITH ALL THE CARROTS?

Hehe, I adore The Dark Age. I love all the Giles episodes <3 I haven't watched it in the longest time, though.
Lie To Me is amazing for, in the absence of any other reason, one of my favourite quotes from the entire series that just gets more and more relevant as the show goes on:

Giles: You mean life?
Buffy: Yeah. Does it get easy?
Giles: What do you want me to say?
Buffy: Lie to me.
Giles: Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after.
Buffy: Liar.
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Rewatched OM,WF and Tabula Rasa with PK earlier (as you may have noticed). The musical will never stop being the greatest thing ever, and I hate you Joss, for making me run a full bloody gamut of emotions within a 45-minute episode, making me go from crying with laughter ("Ready, Randy?" "Ready, Joan.") to plain ol' crying (Michelle Branch what do you do to me??).

While we're on the topic (vaguely) of OMWF, I need to show you all this (a cap from the behind-the-scenes featurette of the musical ep) if you were in any doubt of the brilliance that is Amber Benson. The picture's a bit unflattering and blurry, but yes; that is a Pokemon t-shirt she's wearing <3
 
WHAT DO THEY NEED SUCH GOOD EYESIGHT FOR ANYWAAAAAY?!

So now I've watched through Bad Eggs, and that's all the episodes I have, so now it's more waiting for download progress. D:

I like Oz, from the rather little we've still seen of him. Xander/Cordelia is really "whut" for me, but hey, it's still somewhat amusing. Ted kind of reminded me of The Body, in a not-as-good way, until he turned out to be a robot after all. Jenny shooting Giles with a crossbow was just amusing.

Bad Eggs was... odd, to say the least. Alien body snatchers really don't feel like they belong on Buffy, and what exactly were those vampires even doing there? o_O When they possessed Giles, I did this whole "nuuuu you can't possess Giles! ;_;" freakout that only ended once he was back to normal at the end. The Scooby gang seems so lost without him.
 
Oh God, I love The Dark Age. I'm a bit sad that review site didn't give it a better review; I thought it was awesome. Then again, I'm probably biased, since I think any episode with even a minor feature on Giles is automatically awesome.

Argh, I chose to wait for season 5 part 2, but it STILL hasn't arrived, which is why I was too depressed to post here again until now. XD And tomorrow's Sunday as well. Maybe I'll go down to the post office and shriek shrilly until they give it to me. Somehow.
 
Hehe, I think Giles is the most universally-loved character. I mean, I don't know many people who'd say he was their absolute favourite (he's my second), but I'm yet to meet anyone who doesn't really love him.

Haha; Jenny not only shoots him in the back with a crossbow, but then he takes it out and stabs a vamp with it. That's a special level of badass. I think it's listed as Giles' Crowning Moment Of Awesome on the Buffy page of TVTropes. Actually, Giles gets quite a few moments of pure badassery. Giles with a chainsaw in Fear, Itself XD

It's probably the postal strike's that's got your Buffyage all delayed and stuff ): I really hope it arrives soon; I can't wait to hear your opinion on the S5 finale, OMWF and, generally... everything. I cannot tell you how much fun it is to vicariously watch Buffy for the first time X3

Yeah, Bad Eggs is very strange. I'm okay with the vamps and demons and werewolves and magic and stuff... but I draw the line at aliens. I watched Buffy through for the first time with a friend who's a really long-time fan of the show, and we'd occasionally skip episodes that she thought were absolutely terrible, including Bad Eggs.
So one night, after we'd watched the final episode for (for me) the first time and were all too juiced from its epicness to go to sleep, we watched all the bad episodes we'd skipped in one sitting. It was so much fun X3
 
Hee, I really think Giles is my absolute favorite character, at least at the moment. Everybody is utterly lovable (well, except Cordelia, and Buffy has her irritating moments, mostly when she jumps to conclusions whenever she sees Angel with anybody anywhere, and I suppose Angel isn't overly interesting though I hope to get more insight into his backstory later but the more primitive part of my brain likes him anyway because he gets tortured shirtless with holy water and the like), but Giles is... Giles. <3 And having seen some utterly amazing Giles moments with Dannichu helps.

I'm listening to Where Do We Go From Here? right now. I think it may be my favorite song from OMWF. It is heartbreaking. D: I think Joss has a thing for ironically victorious lyrics set to extremely mournful melodies (see the first bit of Where Do We Go From Here? and Everything You Ever from Dr. Horrible).
 
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Giles is great! He's all like, hell yeah. Speaking of Crowning Moments of Awesome I am of the opinion that Giles's "I'd like to test that theory" moment with Willow was so fucking amazing <3. Seriously.

Also, I love the last episode. I've said it before but that episode, I think, is the Crowning Moment of Buffy as a whole. It's like, Willow is a superpowerful witch and she REWRITES THE SLAYER RULES. And then there's the whole EMPOWERMENT thing that happens with all of the potentials turning into Slayers. zomg it's so powerful. I love it.

OM,WF is amazing. I love it.

ALSO I didn't mind the aliens bit. I was kind of "wtf" at it but I mean... hey, if I'm accepting vampires and magic and demons... why can't I accept aliens, too? Although I mean. Yeah.

ALSO you know in the comics. I love how like... Buffy lezzes with a Japanese Slayer. And then everyone important walks in. And is like. AAAAA WHAT BUFFY YOU'RE A LESBIAN.

Er. Yeah.
 
Dannichu said:
Hehe, I think Giles is the most universally-loved character. I mean, I don't know many people who'd say he was their absolute favourite (he's my second), but I'm yet to meet anyone who doesn't really love him.

Haha; Jenny not only shoots him in the back with a crossbow, but then he takes it out and stabs a vamp with it. That's a special level of badass. I think it's listed as Giles' Crowning Moment Of Awesome on the Buffy page of TVTropes. Actually, Giles gets quite a few moments of pure badassery. Giles with a chainsaw in Fear, Itself XD

It's probably the postal strike's that's got your Buffyage all delayed and stuff ): I really hope it arrives soon; I can't wait to hear your opinion on the S5 finale, OMWF and, generally... everything. I cannot tell you how much fun it is to vicariously watch Buffy for the first time X3

Yeah, Bad Eggs is very strange. I'm okay with the vamps and demons and werewolves and magic and stuff... but I draw the line at aliens. I watched Buffy through for the first time with a friend who's a really long-time fan of the show, and we'd occasionally skip episodes that she thought were absolutely terrible, including Bad Eggs.
So one night, after we'd watched the final episode for (for me) the first time and were all too juiced from its epicness to go to sleep, we watched all the bad episodes we'd skipped in one sitting. It was so much fun X3
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That makes me so happy. |D Most other characters I like have at least a reasonable size of the fandom who absolutely hate them. I guess Giles is just that awesome. I can't decide on my absolute favourite, so really Giles is joint first with Spike for me (closely followed by Willow).

Oh God, that moment was just absolute win. XDD I remember looking at the Crowning Moment of Awesome page and reading that before it happened, and then just went WHOA don't want to be reading any more of this paaage. I'd say Giles' CMoAs that stick in my mind are when he absolutely just whacks Ethan in the face in... I dunno, it may have been The Dark Age? I get that and the first Halloween episode mixed up because they obviously both had Ethan and were near to eachother. That was just... I just went O_O HOLY CRAP GILES! I love how every single time Giles and Ethan are together, Giles just punches him in the face. Or gets someone else to do it, *cough* Band Candy *cough* which was just... so, so awesome. The other one I remember is (spoiler for late S2)After Jenny gets killed, and Giles just goes and /hits Angel repeatedly with a flaming rod/. I love how Spike was just like 'ah, just let the old guy do it'. Granted he was in a bit of trouble afterwards, but seeing as I was in complete grief at that point, I was doing the exact same thing as Giles in my mind and was glad he followed up on it. X3

Speaking of CMoAs, Willow's "OR GET THE HELL OUTTA MY LIBRARY!" thing was epic. In fact, any time she just flips and yells. <3

Yeah, I guess it might be the strike... but every other Buffy box set I've bought (or rather, every other Buffy box set...) has come pretty early. Except season 2 part 2. I should really not be able to remember which one it was. XD October really was Buffy Month for me, huh.

I agree with pretty much everything you say about the characters, Butterfree. Angel was really the only character I was a bit 'eh' about (Cordelia got better later, imo) but I accepted that he was important and I tend not to like characters like him. I didn't dislike Buffy/Angel, though I did dislike Buffy/Riley, so yeah.

It's annoying how easily Buffy jumps to conclusions. >_> I'm glad the Dawn-listening-outside-doorways thing wasn't too bad later, she could have turned into a mini Buffy.
 
I never really cared all that much for Cordelia until, for some reason, during the S3 episode Earshot, where Buffy can hear everyone's voices in her head. The idea that Cordy actually said everything she was thinking, I thought, was absolutely fantastic, and while I'd really not get along with her as a person, as a character, I really liked her.
And I felt really badly for her in Lover's Walk. Oh god, I nearly died when Joss did his Jossian thing and had them walking past a funeral right after Cordy was impaled on that pole-thing. I actually was yelling "Cordy, NO!" and then Willow, onscreen, just causally walks past the funeral and is all "Yeah, she'll be fine."

Apparently she's fantastic in Angel, though I haven't seen enough of her to say. Same goes for Wesley, actually.

Oh, I can't begin to pick my favourite OMWF song. They're all so fantastic in their own way; I've Got a Theory is all happy and together-y (and has BUNNIES), Under Your Spell is adorable and beautifully sung and the final verse will never stop making me giggle ("You make me come... plete" indeed), and Walk Through the Fire is just EPIC (with the "mostly filler" line I love so much and the FIRE ENGINES oh god), but if I had to pick, I'd probably go with the reprise of Under Your Spell, just because it's a) so, so sad without being melodramatic, and b) has the best damn singers of the lot harmonising so beautifully <3
But the "Understand we'll go hand in hand/but we'll walk alone in fear" line from Where Do We Go From Here is so... poigniant and, if I may quote from my beloved 100 Moments list yet again:
"It's hard to pin down just why I like this moment so much, but I think it's the way that it so perfectly captures where everybody is at that exact moment in their lives. I think it's more than just the lyrics here, I think it's also the way that everyone comes together for what appears to be their curtain call, usually a thing of cheerful victory, but then the group breaks apart violently. All of it combined create a moment that, while perhaps eluding my complete comprehension, works nevertheless."
So good.

Yessssss the Giles "I'd like to test that theory" bit!!! SO, SO GOOD.
Again, if I may quote someone else, who can put it much better than I can:

"Willow is at the height of her dark mojo, admirably kicking every square inch of Buffy's ass. "There's nobody in the world with enough power to stop me now," she gloats, only to be blasted across the Magic Box by the last person anybody expected to see: Giles. "I'd like to test that theory," he says. Did you cheer too? Such an awesome entrance, quite possibly the best ever. Huge kudos to Mutant Enemy for keeping Tony Head's name out of the credits, making his appearance as much a surprise to the audience as it was to the characters."

I did, I did. I think I actually leapt out of my chair and squealed, actually. Amazing stuff.

I'm also with you on the final episode just being one big CMoA, particularly with Willow being filled with Light Magic (which I totally choose to belive is Essence of Tara); the whole thing bringing her magic misuse/addiction to a close, to a point where she knows she doesn't have to be so scared of herself or it anymore. So, so well done.

I don't dislike Riley, I just find him very boring. His fandom name is Captain Cardboard X3 Although my best friend thinks he's absolutely awesome, so he's not *univerally* hated. But, again, I just never seem to care very much for Buffy's SO's.
I had a very WTF?ish reaction when I heard about Buffy and... Satsu? in the comics. I haven't read it, but the idea of it just seems a bit... OOC?

I'm not a huge fan of Dawn; she's annoying in parts, though when she's with certian characters I like her more (the scenes with her and Xander tend to be pretty sweet, and I adore the relationship she has with Tara), but I love pretty much all the main characters to bits.

Although one of the reasons I don't like S6 very much is because it made me not like Willow very much. I was really angry with her for using that memory loss spell on Tara prior to OMWF, and utterly furious with her during Tabula Rasa after within a couple of hours of promising Tara she'd do no more magic for a week, she tried to erase her memory again, especially after Tara pointed out what Glory had already done to her mind. Not cool, Will )<

I spoil too many things ):
 
I quite liked Cordelia. She was never my favourite character but she did have a certain appeal. Apparently she's much, much better in Angel but I haven't had the chance to watch any yet.

Yes. Giles is so amazing. It doesn't even matter that he got his arse kicked seconds later. He was still so awesome. <3

Omg yessss. Light Willow was so awesome. An aside: when I saw "essence of" my eyes read "lesbian" instead of "Tara" and I was like "I know Danni likes girls but..." until I realised! oops.

One thing is that the comics kind of ... well they make large hints that Willow does fall back into misuse of magic. I haven't read much of them, but I've read the Fray/Buffy crossover and Future Willow is insane and shit... it's kind of disheartening. :(



Yeah, Satsu and Buffy was kind of ... wtf. Buffy was lonely and experimenting, iirc.
 
Oh, it was brilliant that Cordelia said everything she thought (sorry, not quoting again, I'm sure you understand why, what with your spoilery post of doom XD). I think that was when I started loving her as well. I could really empathise with her when she became more of a major character. I found her character very precious. <3 Especially after discovering Xander and Willow -- I absolutely loved her reaction to it, even though it was very sad, and the whole hospital scene was wonderful.

And yeah, the 'Jossian' thing you mentioned was AWESOME. I did the exact same thing as you, and then went '...oh right, this is what people mean when they say Whedon had certain styles'. X3
 
Harlequin said:
Omg yessss. Light Willow was so awesome. An aside: when I saw "essence of" my eyes read "lesbian" instead of "Tara" and I was like "I know Danni likes girls but..." until I realised! oops.
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Haha; Willow summoned the ESSENCE OF LESBIANISM to save the world! :D
...what a superpower that would be.

No, I totally get the non-reply-ness; I'd really hate to spoil something for you by accident; I ruined a lot of the show for myself before I watched it through, and I really regretted it D:

I think it's only Joss who can make a character as selfish as Cordelia so endearing. I adore the scene in Doppelgangland where Vamp Willow chases her into the bathroom, she's saved by Wesley and they both assume that Willow's been turned into a vampire and it's really sad... and then Cordy just turns to him and asks him out.

And I never noticed it in Earshot till I put the subtitles on, but not only does Cordy say exactly what she's thinking in that scene in the library (I adored Oz's thoughts there, too ("We think, therefore she is. Hm."), especially compared with Xander's ("Naked girls. Naked Buffy! Oh god, help me!"), there's a fantastic bit where they're outside just after Buffy collapses and everyone's thinking stuff to the effect of "oh my god, is she okay?" and Cordy's just thinking "I'm cold". And a few minutes later, after learning that someone's going to kill half the school, "I'm not getting any warmer". I love her, I really do <3
 
Dannichu said:
Haha; Willow summoned the ESSENCE OF LESBIANISM to save the world! :D
...what a superpower that would be.
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You know what? You could probably argue that the essence of lesbian is what saved the world! I mean, the Slayers are like a massive sisterhood now. You've got all these like potentials and Willow was all >:( NO MORE SHALL THERE BE A SINGLE SLAYER!!! and in the process of this she beat the Shadow men and was all LESBIAN POWER UNITE THESE GIRLS! I AM WILLOW :>

No, I totally get the non-reply-ness; I'd really hate to spoil something for you by accident; I ruined a lot of the show for myself before I watched it through, and I really regretted it D:
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YES. I second this. I, too, ruined a lot of it by reading spoilers. Accidentally and on purpose because I assumed I'd never watch Buffy. DON'T DO IT. It's so much better without spoilers.
 
I've already been spoilt for most things, I think. XD; Mostly because the first Buffy TVTropes page I looked at had spoilers, so I thought all of them did. >_> I've been spoilt for a horrible amount of deaths, or rather I guess I've spoilt myself... I really didn't need to know characters I like are going to be killed off later. Really didn't need to. Sigh.

Argh, I wish I was able to afford all the DVD versions of Buffy, subtitles would be really helpful. There are so many quotes I'm sure I miss because the American accents confuse me, not to mention all the slang I could look up if I knew how to spell it. I didn't notice Cordelia think "I'm cold" either, which just makes me want subtitles more. XD I swear, one day, I WILL buy all the DVD copies... even though I already have all the videos/have ordered all the videos. I absolutely adore special features on DVDs, and comparing my shiny season 7 DVD with my clunky videos, it has SO MUCH I WANT TO SEEE that isn't on YouTube. ;_;

Then again, the VHS box sets have really gorgeous art. I have them all laid out very artistically in a 'Buffy corner' in my room. XD Kind of ruined by the massive Pokemon poster above it, but hopefully I can move that and replace it with a Buffy one instead. >D Fear me and my Buffy corner! Oh God, and merchandise~ I am going to be very poor for the rest of my life...
 
I've got the Buffy box set, and it's not that pretty. It doesn't have anything in the way of special features and it's even lacking a "play all" feature.

You don't realise how awesome "play all" is until you watch all seven seasons and have to manually select each episode. ; ;
 
Mm, the main reason I don't like Cordelia (at least right now) is that although she's amusing, she feels like a really overexaggerated character and is kind of fake as a result, compared to the at least more believable other characters. Amusing to watch, but I can't possibly buy her as a person, not even in TV-land. :/

On another note, we found Buffy episodes online and watched Surprise and Innocence. Wow. Joss really likes to torture his characters, doesn't he? "Hi there, Buffy. Okay, now you have sex with your boyfriend, and as a result he loses his soul and becomes a vampire who wants to kill you and all your friends, and he also tells you you suck in bed, and then he goes to help revive a demon that will destroy the world. Sound good?"

But whoa, plot developments! Also, I loved Xander's plan.

We're about to watch episode 15 now. :3
 
Surprise and Innocence are amazing. Innocence is Joss' favourite ep (and also my friend Jemma's). I personally prefer Passion if we're talking S2 episodes, but yeah... it's good.

Actually, I think Anya's sort of like a more "real" Cordelia. Her being a demon means the writers can make her do crazy things and still be a believable character (compared to having Cordy do the same thing), and she still gets to say hilarious, untactful things.
"You mean an orgasm friend?"
"Yes, that's exactly the most appalling thing you could have said."

But, like Cirrus said earlier, she gets more likable as the show goes on, and I think everyone's respect for her shoots up after Lover's Walk. Which is a pretty damn awesome ep. God, I need to rewatch S2.

Seconded on the desire for a "play all" feature. Though I really, really love having subs (I watch everything with subtitles and hate whoever made the House DVDs for not putting them on), and some of the special features are nifty; I've made my love of the OMWF featurette clear, and lots of the audiocommentary for episodes is awesome. The OMWF commentary is hilarious ("This... is pornography. I have no excuse." and "I think the fire trucks are the greatest thing I've ever done."), the one for Restless is amazing and the one for The Body is really sweet
I watched it with AC right after watching the episode for the first time and was hoping I wouldn't cry because Joss talking over the onscreen events made them a bit less painful but then even he couldn't talk over Anya's speech and, once again, I was reduced to a sobbing wreck.
And Joss' commentaries are always fantastic because he actually talks like his characters, it's brilliant.
God, I'm sorry; I didn't mean to go off on a rant about what you're missing, Cirrus ><
You should come over to mine and we could watch all the extra stuff :3

Buffy merchandise makes me so happy inside <3 I've got a few books, a few figurines (a Tara, a Tara and Willow (with Miss Kitty Fantastico!) and a Vamp Willow), a couple of small posters (one of Buffy, Dawn and Willow with umbrellas and one with Willow and Tara) and a whole bunch of stuff I bought at the Expo. At the time of buying I got a little overexcited. So much so, I think Butterfree's exact words were "Don't worry Dannichu; they'll come and take you away soon." XD
I want the figurines of Giles and Anya from Fear, Itself (Anya with her bunny suit and Giles with his poncho and sombrero) more than words can say.
 
...Holy crap, Oz
is a werewolf
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Still really like him. He's adorable. And he's all tiny compared to his friends. And the whole Larry deal was hilarious.
 
Dannichu said:
Actually, I think Anya's sort of like a more "real" Cordelia. Her being a demon means the writers can make her do crazy things and still be a believable character (compared to having Cordy do the same thing), and she still gets to say hilarious, untactful things.
"You mean an orgasm friend?"
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I'd never thought of her that way. Yeah, I guess you could say she's a more "real" Cordelia. She's just so ridiculously amazing. Her lack of tact and understanding of humanity is brilliant and when she comes full circle by the finale it's just so heartbreaking. I honestly nearly cried when she died. :(
 
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