Cats (2019) Mafia

[Herbe]

also, if we want to cat clear me:
-i claimed victoria
-no one counterclaimed
-why would a role exist to get a cat's name so mafia can claim that cat after the OG is dead. that sounds dumb and unrealistic
-victoria is obvi in the game
-shes a main character and Good Cat
-if cats have bearing on role, >rand chance I'm town

 

[Herbe]

what i mean is that i don't think a role framer makes sense unless something is just weird here. that goes above my mafia-role-knowledge paygrade.

fair enough, i just imagined it as regular framer, that inserts like Mafioso or something generic in there

 

[Herbe]

this is mega stream of consciousness by the way

 

[Trebek]

yeah im inclined to townlean herbe still (unless im only thinking of n levels of wifom and hes at n+1 lmao), and i would be willing to bet that if one rolecop exists, then one also exists on the other side (if that is the case, thats even more reason to TR herbe since the other one hasnt claimed if they exist)

that's my thing. it is possible for herbe to be mafia and i don't really wanna mislead you guys into never actually checking him out, it's just that i kinda think myself into circles when i consider [redacted]. idrk what you mean by the second half though, tbh, it would be a counterclaim opportunity :/

i might have wifomed myself into the wrong conclusion on the second half now that i think about it lmao

 

[Herbe]

also, if we want to cat clear me:
-i claimed victoria
-no one counterclaimed
-why would a role exist to get a cat's name so mafia can claim that cat after the OG is dead. that sounds dumb and unrealistic
-victoria is obvi in the game
-shes a main character and Good Cat
-if cats have bearing on role, >rand chance I'm town

*if cats have bearing on alignment

 

[Keldeo]

Hey MP. How much have you read, and how are you feeling about the game right now?

I have not read anything since the flip, haha, but I am ISOing Blu now actually! Any suggestions for who I should look at after that?

I'm feeling pretty good considering we now have a red flip to use as a basis for analysis! How about you?

Hm, cool, okay. Why'd you start with Blu?

Me and VM are the wagons right now so it'd be interesting to get your takes on them.

I'm feeling pretty similar, but I was getting paranoid about Ultracool being outgroup meaning interactions don't matter, but maybe I shouldn't be?

 

[mewtini]

fair enough, i just imagined it as regular framer, that inserts like Mafioso or something generic in there

when alignment-neutral role titles exist (as we know) i think a town rolecop's success just gets left up to luck tbh.

also, if we want to cat clear me:
-i claimed victoria
-no one counterclaimed
-why would a role exist to get a cat's name so mafia can claim that cat after the OG is dead. that sounds dumb and unrealistic
-victoria is obvi in the game
-shes a main character and Good Cat
-if cats have bearing on role, >rand chance I'm town

what do you mean by #3?
also, i don't think cats have bearing on alignment (except for a very few roles that i'm pretty sure are attached to certain cats, aside from macavity) but this also doesn't do very much other than solidify that you were telling the truth about your role itself, which i think thread reached consensus on :o it would be lowkey tragic if victoria ended up being fucking mafia here though, omg.

what other #thoughts do you have? (ps when you popped up in thread i got really paranoid that i left you on read and then i realized it was my fault for just saying 'omg F'.,)

 

[mewtini]

lol i literally forgot vm was a wagon

 

[Keldeo]

i kinda think that if herbe is indeed town (to be clear, i'm still townleaning him) then mafia probably has a rolecop to balance it out? is that a fair assumption ...

yeah im inclined to townlean herbe still (unless im only thinking of n levels of wifom and hes at n+1 lmao), and i would be willing to bet that if one rolecop exists, then one also exists on the other side (if that is the case, thats even more reason to TR herbe since the other one hasnt claimed if they exist)

Can you explain this one to me? Maybe it's because it's late but I don't understand the relevance of both sides having a rolecop.

 

[mewtini]

I'm feeling pretty similar, but I was getting paranoid about Ultracool being outgroup meaning interactions don't matter, but maybe I shouldn't be?

yeah now that the 14 setup thing with outgroup was pointed out i realize that maybe it's a nonfactor, thank god
it's going to be mildly difficult to figure out reads via interactions though i think considering that. i led the "but ultracool did this as town!" force, heh ... but Try We Must.

 

[mewtini]

Can you explain this one to me? Maybe it's because it's late but I don't understand the relevance of both sides having a rolecop.

mostly i'm thinking that rolecop is a relatively powerful role for mafia and that it's mildly weird if we have a rolecop + cop and they have ???, but maybe i just keep thinking this because i keep remembering that rolecop is an either-alignment role. just reflexively trying to balance it out, idk - i think the idea came up earlier and i'm just regurgitating it now

 

[Herbe]

(ps when you popped up in thread i got really paranoid that i left you on read and then i realized it was my fault for just saying 'omg F'.,)

irl laughing at this

what do you mean by #3?

I was devils advocating myself and being like "ooooooooo if w!herbe had a mafia buddy that could ID cat names you could have just stolen that from like, mawile or somebody" but realised that was ridiculous so i just wrote down why it was ridiculous

when alignment-neutral role titles exist (as we know) i think a town rolecop's success just gets left up to luck tbh.

yeah looking back this was just stream of consciousness bs since i don't get alignment info anyway. didn't think abt that one too hard :/ vanilla mafioso probably just shows up as vanilla to me

 

[Trebek]

i kinda think that if herbe is indeed town (to be clear, i'm still townleaning him) then mafia probably has a rolecop to balance it out? is that a fair assumption ...

yeah im inclined to townlean herbe still (unless im only thinking of n levels of wifom and hes at n+1 lmao), and i would be willing to bet that if one rolecop exists, then one also exists on the other side (if that is the case, thats even more reason to TR herbe since the other one hasnt claimed if they exist)

Can you explain this one to me? Maybe it's because it's late but I don't understand the relevance of both sides having a rolecop.

pretty sure it was a bad take from me bc tired

my initial thought was if town and maf rolecops exist, v!rolecop claiming would make w!rolecop afraid to claim

but then i remembered that theres literally no way to tell them apart so w!rolecop would just counterclaim and there goes my logic down the drain

 

[mewtini]

vanilla mafioso probably just shows up as vanilla to me

lmfao can you imagine

JackPK to Herbe: <player> is a Mafia Goon.
Herbe to self: nice

 

[mewtini]

the real dream is getting "Vanilla" for either VT or goon. hahaha

 

[Trebek]

oh god that would be so scary

 

[Keldeo]

the real dream is getting "Vanilla" for either VT or goon. hahaha

If Herbe's town, I'd assume this is what he would get, ftr. I guess it might not have been a design decision that would have factored in in the original game, though, since no one would have been vanilla.

 

[Keldeo]

Either that or like, Vanilla and Goon or Townie and Goon, maybe.

 

[mewtini]

hey herbe. was ILS a PR?

 

[mewtini]

also

irl laughing at this

:((((