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Cats (2019) Mafia

kokorico said:
so: why on earth are people taking it as virtually certain that w!Herbe would have killed mewtini above all else, when there's no guarantee she has a particularly strong role, and her survival has provided him with such an excellent return on investment so far?
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the most likely alternative case is that the mafia targeted emmy, which makes way, way less sense.
 
kokorico said:
(aside: considering that last game I apparently managed to successfully dupe everyone, including the rest of the mafia, into thinking I was one of no fewer than FIVE town doctors, I'm equal parts appreciative and exasperated that someone seems to be trying almost the exact same thing again)
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tinfoil: the town has actually one full doctor and two half-doctors because that’s Jack’s way of trolling us into thinking that somebody may be lying
(to be clear: i am joking)
kokorico said:
so: why on earth are people taking it as virtually certain that w!Herbe would have killed mewtini above all else, when there's no guarantee she has a particularly strong role, and her survival has provided him with such an excellent return on investment so far? in fact I could see this being the mafia's plan from the very outset: their rolecop uses up a check to convince ultra-popular!mewtini that he's town, and then he's pretty much set for the rest of the game!
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i am vibing, but i’m also iffy about voting herbe because i have difficulty believing in herbe/ultracool being w/w and no solid third wagon ever arising
 
kokorico said:
- the role RNP claimed is rarely if ever scum
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what concerns me is that the role rnp claimed doesn’t necessarily line up with the powers that we have seen him demonstrate? like, we know he has roleblocking power but we currently have no way to justify if rnp can also protect, seeing as mewt also presumably targeted emmy last night (yes, this relies on trust in mewts capabilities, but that is a choice i am making and not everyone has to)

still iffy, and can also see the herbe arguments, but at the end of the day idk. most of what i was trying to brainstorm last night was revolving around the mafias place in the chaotic EoD2 but i don’t want to infolynch herbe to figure out more about his wagon

not saying i’ll never lynch him, just not purely as an infolynch
 
rari_teh said:
i am vibing, but i’m also iffy about voting herbe because i have difficulty believing in herbe/ultracool being w/w and no solid third wagon ever arising
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i mean, they could be, but that would cement the theory that the mafia has zero idea of what they’re doing
 
i think if rnp flips green we can be pretty damn sure about herbe, but at the moment i don’t think there’s MORE reason to resolve him than rnp. i will agree that herbe isn’t being scrutinized closely enough and that mewtini is giving him too much of a free pass.
 
kyeugh said:
i don’t think anyone thinks he totally made everything up, it’s just that he can be telling the truth and still be mafia, and it makes some sense for that to be the case.
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with the greatest of respect, I believe this was addressed in the third bullet point you quoted

kyeugh said:
kokorico said:
so: why on earth are people taking it as virtually certain that w!Herbe would have killed mewtini above all else, when there's no guarantee she has a particularly strong role, and her survival has provided him with such an excellent return on investment so far?
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the most likely alternative case is that the mafia targeted emmy, which makes way, way less sense.
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but why? if RNP were the wolf, wouldn't it have made vastly more sense for him to block mewtini, who had said she was going to try to heal emmy? that would free up emmy for the mafia's nightkill

and yes, in this scenario there would probably be another town doctor - but mewtini had instructed them to heal her instead of emmy

(this next bit was going to be catchup post 3/4 but while I'm replying to other stuff from you I might as well add it in:)

kyeugh said:
poe = the dragon warrior. skidoosh
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nonsense! poe = miniboss in the forest temple. smh
 
kokorico said:
but why? if RNP were the wolf, wouldn't it have made vastly more sense for him to block mewtini, who had said she was going to try to heal emmy? that would free up emmy for the mafia's nightkill
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good question, but the fact is that no matter what they almost certainly targeted someone who got healed (and likely who’d they have reason to believe might be healed that night). why they’d do so either way is pretty unclear. ultimately the fact that the kill didn’t go through probably means they made a suboptimal move either way, so it’s a big question mark no matter what.
 
kokorico said:
and yes, in this scenario there would probably be another town doctor - but mewtini had instructed them to heal her instead of emmy
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i agree that in this case the case the objective best decision is roleblock mewt and kill emmy, but consider what happens if even a sliver of doubt creeps in: maybe mewt is RB immune? what if the healer is actually coinflipping!
if i were maf, the moment i doubted anything about the situation, i would find that strat too
risky, bc i don’t want to run the risk of letting emmy get another check. at that point, i would consider it safer to keep emmy on RB lockdown until i figure out a way to ensure i can kill her, if that makes sense?
 
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