Cats (2019) Mafia

[Bluwiikoon]

I legitimately don't know a thing, my guys

 

[Bluwiikoon]

I can kinda figure out PoE from context but FoS still has me stumped

 

[mewtini]

PoE = process of elimination, FoS = finger of suspicion!

 

[Trebek]

i do agree with this take, but does the take change when considering that w!rnp might not be jailer

also agree that it doesn't hold 100% if rnp is just a roleblocker, my logic was that he/mafia formulating the fakeclaim would have discussed it so blu wouldn't be a total outsider to the concept of jailer. either way he def didn't know what a jailer is, i just don't expect him to be blindsided by that - even a fakeclaim - if they're both working together, but maybe i'm assuming too much intrafactional awareness

yeah like i agreed with what you were thinking ftr. just wanted to make sure that i still agreed with it in that context

anyways if i try to think too hard about other things im gonna lose my train of thought about [redacted 2 electric boogaloo] so imma wait for keldeo hehe

 

[rari_teh]

KELDEOOO.PCX

 

[Bluwiikoon]

I could always be outgroup! I don't even know what an outgroup mafia does though except uhhhh snakewhistle and go boom

I feel Concerns about people who are tunnelling onto me but have not otherwise participated much, considering I am town. I'm just clueless about how to play if I'm being honest

 

[rari_teh]

afaik the only person who really tunneled you, like, to the point of voting, was ils tbh

 

[Bluwiikoon]

I must be real confused then because it feels like MP7 was coming down on me pretty hard

 

[kyeugh]

poe = the dragon warrior. skidoosh

 

[RNP]

it's spelled po you fucking fake fan

 

[RNP]

kyeugh

unforgivable

 

[Butterfree]

Ugggggh here I was sitting down to read Bluwii's ISO after catching up again and then of course I fall asleep and now I feel like death and really need to just get back to bed

As far as I'd gotten reading it I was starting to feel like 'oh no, he's towny'. All the early posting sounds very pure to me. I guess I will have to get further tomorrow. Why do you guys post so much.

Re: some of the overarching concerns of today's discussions: having an outgroup mafia doesn't seem impossible to me, but it'd be kind of unconventional in the 14-person setup, especially since it's very likely not a mafia doctor (the point of outgroup mafia doctor is to cause healer clashes but here there is no healer clashing) and if there were a terrorist I agree with previous contentions that surely if that's what Ultracool was he'd have exploded before dying.

I think the RNP wagon is interesting for the various mech reasons that have been outlined and I'm kind of tempted to vote it, but I don't want to without finishing at least some of the reading that I've been trying to do all day, ugh.

I still don't understand why you'd say "FoS" instead of just using the verb "suspect".

That's it for now, my brain is leaking out of my ears. Man. I will decide on something tomorrow before EoD.

 

[rari_teh]

I still don't understand why you'd say "FoS" instead of just using the verb "suspect".

I see a difference tbh
FoSing is voicing suspicion, while suspecting is just… well, suspecting, not necessarily sharing it with others

 

[Trebek]

I still don't understand why you'd say "FoS" instead of just using the verb "suspect".

I see a difference tbh
FoSing is voicing suspicion, while suspecting is just… well, suspecting, not necessarily sharing it with others

i just like sounding hip and cool with the forum-goers tbh

 

[Trebek]

man i really wish keldeo.docx was here rn

 

[rari_teh]

me too tbh :c
i want to hear what he thinks of the situation, especially wrt blu and rnp in this order
keldeooooo.odg

 

[Butterfree]

Given that Keldeo is my hypocop clear, I feel like rari's reactions to his pushing felt a bit strong. I would read the whole situation as uhhh

-Keldeo pushes Trebek to incite discussion
-rari and mewtini have their initial "wtf" reactions
-rari (or wolfchat in general) takes this as a chance to frame Keldeo's actions as extreme and/or a bit wolfy
-Everyone now has vibes about Keldeo

Seems like people have backed down from both Trebek and Keldeo now, but may be worth noting for later? Additionally, since I townlean mewtini pretty hard I didn't read too much into her reactions to the situation. But it seemed fairly reasonable?

rari has also uhhh reacted similarly to previous sudden pushes in tvt according to other posts, but that could also be a good cover for them, to act a similar way.

This is all hypothetical however, and if Keldeo turns up red then uhhhh oops

@Bluwiikoon, I found this post interesting because it’s reasoning from “Given that Keldeo is my hypocop clear...” and going from there to finding the push on him suspicious. Seeing as we now know (presumably) that you’re not an actual cop, can you tell us if this was actually pure putting yourself in a world where you’ve cleared him or if you had some particular reason to believe he’s town?

 

[Bluwiikoon]

Given that Keldeo is my hypocop clear, I feel like rari's reactions to his pushing felt a bit strong. I would read the whole situation as uhhh

-Keldeo pushes Trebek to incite discussion
-rari and mewtini have their initial "wtf" reactions
-rari (or wolfchat in general) takes this as a chance to frame Keldeo's actions as extreme and/or a bit wolfy
-Everyone now has vibes about Keldeo

Seems like people have backed down from both Trebek and Keldeo now, but may be worth noting for later? Additionally, since I townlean mewtini pretty hard I didn't read too much into her reactions to the situation. But it seemed fairly reasonable?

rari has also uhhh reacted similarly to previous sudden pushes in tvt according to other posts, but that could also be a good cover for them, to act a similar way.

This is all hypothetical however, and if Keldeo turns up red then uhhhh oops

@Bluwiikoon, I found this post interesting because it’s reasoning from “Given that Keldeo is my hypocop clear...” and going from there to finding the push on him suspicious. Seeing as we now know (presumably) that you’re not an actual cop, can you tell us if this was actually pure putting yourself in a world where you’ve cleared him or if you had some particular reason to believe he’s town?

Yeah, it was pretty much me going all-or-nothing on the cover. ^^ It doesn't work if you don't commit, right? I basically picked Keldeo just because I like him, and I didn't have much else to go on in D1

I also got real zesty in my attempts to Protect Cop in D2 as y'all know That's basically where my brain was coming from for these interactions

 

[Keldeo]

Ugh really sorry, kept sitting down to read things in this game and then like immediately getting pulled away. I need some sleep before EOD, I'm going to catch up and give quick takes and then do that.

 

[Keldeo]

I'm like... unreasonably upset that I didn't get to do the ISOs I wanted to. Like me @ myself: you have already read all of these words in this internet game why do you want to read them again so much.

MP7's thoughts on Blu are ... meh? decent? I like the critical thought about the possibility that he and I are partners but mostly it seems like, not super deep and I don't really feel strongly moved by it idk. I kind of want to keep my vote here for science and see if they wow me at EOD or something.

Tofu is a player in this mafia game and I still want to know about rari's theory of everything or whatever because I think Tofu's EOD pop-in about Ultracool with defense of Herbe looks fairly good for her.

I 100% believe that RNP is Gus the Theater Cat and probably a jailer, but along the same lines as others, and as I sorta talked around earlier, I don't think that makes him town? Like I think there's a more clear mafia than town motivation / world for his block last night, is the tl;dr.

I pretty much agree with the read that Blu/RNP aren't partners because of Blu's going along with what Trebek was saying about the jailkeeper at first (and I think that makes Trebek/RNP probably not partners either, come to think of it.) I had misgivings about Blu's level of confidence, but I'll take his explanation for it at face value and I think there's a good chance that RNP flips mafia.

keldeo, what was your mentality at the end of D2 as far as UC vs Herbe?

I thought Herbe was pretty likely to be mafia mostly because of a narrative I was thinking about wrt his weird coinflip thing with Emmy's claim, and then of course he wasn't around at EOD to change my mind and I wasn't super swayed by any defenses of him / cases on UC. UC was more null / not my first choice target particularly given how often a midday 8-2 wagon is Just Town Here.

The morning of EOD I was balancing like, getting confirmation biased with people agreeing with me on Herbe vs. panicking about thread flow when the wagon swung a ton toward Herbe near the end. Ultracool's last posts just confused me, I kind of thought the claim was too out there to be a plausible mafia fakeclaim and sort of [kermitflailing.gif] rode with my Herbe vote at the end.

did keldeo wagon just disappear? did we all decide he was cool and town now?

That is a decision you won't regret!

I'll be here in like 5 hours or something, I'm pretty fine with the current "wagons"