Cats (2019) Mafia

[rari_teh]

yeah, the way i thought about this was like
if koko is mafia and they (the people mentioned as being online) are town, koko wouldnt adress it as cheaty
if they are all mafia, then i wouldve expected koko to also be online at that time

the entire mafia wouldn’t necessarily be always online at the same time tbh

 

[Keldeo]

I actually think maybe koko doesn't stay stubborn about my playstyle seeming scummy to em as a mafia, when e knows from last game it's a playstyle thing and it's not actually a scum tactic. Kinda thin read, though.

 

[mewtini]

in re: ryan’s post. i’m not sure if i /agree/ with the overall conclusions (i think the bit about koko is a reach?) but i think i like this thought process

idk if this is a weird question? but. @.keldeo what would you say differentiates your scum from your town play

 

[Trebek]

yeah, the way i thought about this was like
if koko is mafia and they (the people mentioned as being online) are town, koko wouldnt adress it as cheaty
if they are all mafia, then i wouldve expected koko to also be online at that time

the entire mafia wouldn’t necessarily be always online at the same time tbh

yeah, i didnt mean to say that it was a guarantee TR for koko, just that the vibes seemed most likely to lean in that direction

 

[Herbe]

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm so frustrated with myself. I failed to consider that if I played to my usual towngame early on in TVT, that immediately after my reputation would be tarnished when I'm actually town. Of course, "usual" is a stretch here, cause I haven't played forum mafia in forever, but I was legitimately trying to be town early on. I literally psyched myself out of knowing what happened to Jack d1 (I killed him) and I was like omg this flavor IS so weird!! I wonder what the hell happened??? Who killed jack????? like, in my head. not even performatively. kyeugh, you can vouch, in scumchat when i was losing my mind and mf was like "go to sleep herbe."

I also make this point because I have to pay attention to the fact that kyeugh and i are not a scumteam anymore and she's not distancing me, she's literally just reading me. And I know that I probably shouldn't be so meta cause that's not gonna wiggle me out of any scumreads but I'm not gonna censor my stream of consiousness for the sake of reads.

Re: keldeo

random question, do you think you like being mafia or town better?

Ask me again at the end of this game, cause I haven't played a game to its finish as town in recent memory. Right now I'm inclined to say mafia. It comes so much easier to me,,,,, also I miss having partners. I miss mawile!!!!! OOT communication is my favorite and I miss being able to bounce ideas off of other players. If anyone wants to loverize me (for real this time) please do!

Anyway I just re-caught up with the thread (and woke up for the day) so yeah. this post is long enough

 

[Herbe]

Forgot that I wanted to mention that y'all are doing the right thing by not townclearing me based on vibes when clearly I can craft whatever vibes I want as wolf! I'm just frustrated with myself.

 

[Keldeo]

are we supposed to be considering people's online status / activity? feels a bit cheaty as it's outside knowledge

just ftr I'm not trying to have a go at you myuma, just wanting to clear up what the acceptable parameters of the game are

Yeah there's no formal rule against considering or talking about it, but I think the general sentiment is it's an out-of-game element that doesn't really need to be brought into the game if we can help it?

 

[Herbe]

are we supposed to be considering people's online status / activity? feels a bit cheaty as it's outside knowledge

just ftr I'm not trying to have a go at you myuma, just wanting to clear up what the acceptable parameters of the game are

Yeah there's no formal rule against considering or talking about it, but I think the general sentiment is it's an out-of-game element that doesn't really need to be brought into the game if we can help it?

oh yeah, I concur here. personally I think it's a bit against the spirit of the game.

 

[mewtini]

Not sure why more people haven't had this read actually, but I guess it's probably smart to wait for more concrete stuff than tone from him.

what do you mean? i thought this was the consensus read on him (at least it was one i shared)

 

[Keldeo]

Not sure why more people haven't had this read actually, but I guess it's probably smart to wait for more concrete stuff than tone from him.

what do you mean? i thought this was the consensus read on him (at least it was one i shared)

Didn't get that sense, but actually you, me, Emmy, (Herbe?) is a decent amount of the people who were posting reads early. Maybe I was focused in on the people who didn't give a read him.

 

[mewtini]

it seemed like a lot of people (me/koko/rari) all thought that blu seemed more relaxed than we'd expect from a newbie wolf
unless that wasn't what your mindmeld w koko on blu was referring to :T maybe i just got confused

 

[kyeugh]

i’m pretty sure blu mentioned having played mafia here back in the day but might be wrong? i’m a bit hesitant to clear him on the grounds of comfort level/inexperience... even if it is the case i kind of think it’s not really a great thing to base reads on, it kind of just assumes qualities about his play that i don’t think are really fair to assume

 

[mewtini]

he mentioned playing here a while ago, yeah. i'm not, like, clearing him - it's just that in the group of like, him/emmy/trebek/etc who hadn't posted much content yet, i liked his posting the best for whatever reason based on tone

 

[Trebek]

he mentioned playing here a while ago, yeah. i'm not, like, clearing him - it's just that in the group of like, him/emmy/trebek/etc who hadn't posted much content yet, i liked his posting the best for whatever reason based on tone

as someone in said group, i also agree with this tbh

 

[Keldeo]

Ah, I don't think I've gotten to where Rari had that thought yet.

Think I'm okay just letting Blu vibe for the day. Yeah he did say he's played before although years ago, and his content is not anything that really knocks my socks off, but I like his tone and presence.

@Bluwiikoon have you got any thoughts about Trebek and Rari?

 

[Keldeo]

@Keldeo
Based on the fact this is Cats (2019) Mafia, the mafia members are probably Macavity (the film's antagonist, correct me if I'm wrong) and his cronies. According to post history and the "last seen" bit of their profiles, Tofu, rari_teh and M+7 were online during roughly the same time frame today (4:30AM GMT). This could be a coincidence, or maybe not... if they're all mafia, they might be discussing something on their private mafia chat.

I feel like this is way too hardcore to come from mafia

Eh, I more think this just antialigns them with... 2+ of that group? I don't see how this isn't something they could've noticed as mafia and pointed out to shade with minimal fake critical thought needed.

I see where you're coming from on Trebek better and I do think I'm coming around on him a little.

 

[kyeugh]

i like blu too for the record, i think he’s felt pretty much fine. i just don’t want to do the “he feels pretty comfortable for a newbie so that’s a good look!” thing because i think it underestimates him/ sets a low bar for him for no particular reason

 

[Herbe]

I think I'm at a disadvantage reading kyeugh because of my previous confirmation bias. in the last game, I would see kyeugh's posts and be like "this is good wolf play but I'm afraid you might get scumread" cause i had that conf bias. Now that I'm in a whole different paradigm, I'm afraid of being like "oh kyeugh seems town this time! doesn't seem like she's playing wolf" bc my mind exaggerated her wolfiness all last game cause I was on the lookout for that already.

I waaaaaaaaaaaaant to trust keldeo but I'm terrified tbh. but give it a day and I think I'll settle in on town!keldeo.

 

[mewtini]

lol i was just about to ask herbe if he had any other Reads but i think i just got beaten out

I waaaaaaaaaaaaant to trust keldeo but I'm terrified tbh. but give it a day and I think I'll settle in on town!keldeo.

this is kind of where i'm at i'm just like constantly

 

[Keldeo]

also tbqf myuma using the login times to try and a-ha! the mafia came off as pretty towny to me imo

Okay, same question / request for elaboration to you -

Eh, I more think this just antialigns them with... 2+ of that group? I don't see how this isn't something they could've noticed as mafia and pointed out to shade with minimal fake critical thought needed.

Also -

I don’t think she [IndigoEmmy] sounds like someone who’s being oriented by a scumchat

this is an interesting take, can you point to the posts where you got this feeling?

Getting shades of the kind of... zany or oblique reads? that I remember rari making in early TVTropes but I'm not entirely there yet. tbh early TVTropes is kind of a blur but I remember being able to lock them in as town on d1 or d2 for that solviness so we'll see.