Cats (2019) Mafia

[kyeugh]

i feel like there is at least one wolf in the conversation bc i don’t think it would matter that much otherwise

 

[Trebek]

frankly, i dont think that a change in 'amount of intimidation' is necessarily alignment-indicative? ill have to mull over the past few pages for a while but honestly i think this might have improved my keldeo vibe check when all is said and done. while i personally had a mini-freakout session about it, i understand/respect why keldeo voted to far more of an extent than i understand the backlash it is getting

 

[Trebek]

kinda feels like he’s trying to shade you and hoping it sticks tbqh

No? That post is me arriving at the conclusion that he's town, because it'd be weird if he was mafia in that specific situation I posited.

I feel like I'm not expressing my ideas very well overall today, sorry.

How do you feel about me and Trebek through all of this?

then why did you vote him in first place? I really don’t understand your move here tbh

the vote on me is what caused the sequence of events that then lead to the town conclusion

 

[rari_teh]

am I having déjà vu?

what

we had a very similar discussion in TVT D1 when you pressurevoted Seshas and I overreacted

 

[Keldeo]

then why did you vote him in first place? I really don’t understand your move here tbh

my feelings: Trebek has come out townier than he was, maybe? just a little
about you, I really have zero idea what to make of this. for me it doesn’t make sense if you’re town, but it also doesn’t make sense if you’re mafia

I wanted to vote someone, I thought he could be mafia, and given that he had posted a lot about his mindset, I had an idea about how he would react to my vote if he was mafia vs. if he was town. Does that help to clear it up?

Can you talk a little bit more about this bolded part?

 

[Trebek]

i feel like there is at least one wolf in the conversation bc i don’t think it would matter that much otherwise

i actually am pretty inclined to agree with this. idk which side of the fence is more likely to be wolf at this moment, but i think theyre there

 

[Keldeo]

am I having déjà vu?

what

we had a very similar discussion in TVT D1 when you pressurevoted Seshas and I overreacted

Unsure how to feel about the fact that it seems rari is parroting or following along after mewtini about some of this.

I actually like that they make this comparison (^) because I think it makes sense if they're thinking (1) generally from the same POV as they had in TVT mafia and (2) from a POV that is considering my alignment / doesn't know that I'm town / thinks I could be mafia. Thoughts?

 

[mewtini]

i feel like there is at least one wolf in the conversation bc i don’t think it would matter that much otherwise

i mean. i guess? idk i just don't really feel like it was much more than like, me/rari/ILS going "oh. what?", keldeo giving rationale, and me/rari asking about it. also i said this earlier but part of my reaction in 531 was that i thought keldeo was literally making up that trebek thought he (keldeo) was mafia as an intimidation tactic (i realize now that it was just keldeo not understanding).

idk. i just don't think there were actually that many posts/a huge flurry about this and i don't think any of them were over-the-top? i admit i'm confused, but i'm not actually poking keldeo because i think it was a wolfy push

 

[Keldeo]

i feel like there is at least one wolf in the conversation bc i don’t think it would matter that much otherwise

i actually am pretty inclined to agree with this. idk which side of the fence is more likely to be wolf at this moment, but i think theyre there

Can you two tell me more about this? Thread was kinda flagging before this so it makes sense to me for the conversation to be dominated by this discussion (well, I guess we kind of drowned out VM's entry, haha) and I don't feel terrible about anyone who's been involved.

 

[Keldeo]

Just to be clear, is the executioner that you guys are talking about usually an anti-town/wins with mafia third party, or a neutral-type third party, or like a town with two win conditions, or something else?

 

[Trebek]

i feel like there is at least one wolf in the conversation bc i don’t think it would matter that much otherwise

i actually am pretty inclined to agree with this. idk which side of the fence is more likely to be wolf at this moment, but i think theyre there

Can you two tell me more about this? Thread was kinda flagging before this so it makes sense to me for the conversation to be dominated by this discussion (well, I guess we kind of drowned out VM's entry, haha) and I don't feel terrible about anyone who's been involved.

i guess i am seeing 4 possibilities here:

Keldeo is mafia, and wanted to try and "catch me off guard" as an easy D1 vote, then realized it wouldnt work and backed off/decided i was town

Keldeo is town trying to push forward the conversation, and mewt/rari are mafia who want to turn the FoS back on him for "being too agressive/intimidating"

Everyone is town and we just had a nice group bonding exercise

I am mafia and yall got fooled B)

I personally know that the last case isnt true, but thats up to the rest of you to decide. Frankly, i think that either of the top two possibilities are more likely than the third.

 

[mewtini]

Just to be clear, is the executioner that you guys are talking about usually an anti-town/wins with mafia third party, or a neutral-type third party, or like a town with two win conditions, or something else?

ryan knows better than me but aiui it's usually mafia-aligned but has an extra wincon fulfilled by getting some predetermined player lynched

 

[Trebek]

Just to be clear, is the executioner that you guys are talking about usually an anti-town/wins with mafia third party, or a neutral-type third party, or like a town with two win conditions, or something else?

in ToS, exe is pure third party who only wins on the successful lynch of their (town-aligned) target. i really dont think thats whats happening here though, tbqh

 

[Keldeo]

i really dont think thats whats happening here though, tbqh

Oh yeah I understand this part, wanted to better understand the misunderstanding that we and mewtini had about your initial response.

 

[Trebek]

Oh yeah I understand this part, wanted to better understand the misunderstanding that we and mewtini had about your initial response.

ahhhhh, ok. tbh, the intention was never really for the exe topic to actually become a relevant point of conversation, i just wanted to establish that i was trying to avoid having any instinctual responses to your vote/wanted to hear your rationale for it before saying anything (while at the same time not wanting to ghost thread)

 

[Keldeo]

Well, I know it's not the first of those, Trebek, but I think it's somewhat more likely 3 than 2, haha.

I do think if we are v/v, the groupings of like, [mewtini rari (maybe also throw ILS here?)] / [kyeugh, and I guess that's it actually] are pretty well anti-aligned.

 

[Keldeo]

Actually, nah, ILS's response doesn't really work for that since he wasn't involved in the post-explanation discussion.

 

[mewtini]

Keldeo is town trying to push forward the conversation, and mewt/rari are mafia who want to turn the FoS back on him for "being too agressive/intimidating"

i think it would be really shameful if w/w pushed on the same thing at the same time

 

[mewtini]

*at the same time like this
i must wait 2 seconds-

 

[Keldeo]

Oh also I kinda think that if we're v/v and someone involved is w, *someone* would have tried to feed or encourage my suspicion on Trebek? But the closest thing that happened to that was like... Mewtini saying that his content was kinda NAI, which obviously doesn't make sense for that.