Cats (2019) Mafia

[kyeugh]

i feel like there is at least one wolf in the conversation bc i don’t think it would matter that much otherwise

i actually am pretty inclined to agree with this. idk which side of the fence is more likely to be wolf at this moment, but i think theyre there

Can you two tell me more about this? Thread was kinda flagging before this so it makes sense to me for the conversation to be dominated by this discussion (well, I guess we kind of drowned out VM's entry, haha) and I don't feel terrible about anyone who's been involved.

i don’t really feel terrible either, but i feel like nothing you’ve done has really been that strange or confusing especially after you explained it. already i thought the “whoa what!?” was a bit much but i just don’t really understand all the resistance to what i feel was a fairly reasonable push to make, and it was made lightly at that. its true that the thread wasn’t exactly thriving before but i don’t think that inherently implies backlash to your vote; it just seems kind of weird that multiple people, all innocent, care this much about this. not impossibly weird, but i wouldn’t really be surprised if a wolf seized this opportunity to cast shade, either

i don’t really feel that strongly about this but yeah. it just seems like a weird thing. i don’t think its impossible that a wolf is driving it

 

[mewtini]

i wouldn’t really be surprised if a wolf seized this opportunity to cast shade, either

oh that's true, i just didn't think much shade was being cast

 

[kyeugh]

i guess when i saw your vote i was just expecting ryan to answer and for people to engage with it and instead it just seemed like people were increasingly combative about it and i don’t really understand the cause for that

 

[Trebek]

Keldeo is town trying to push forward the conversation, and mewt/rari are mafia who want to turn the FoS back on him for "being too agressive/intimidating"

i think it would be really shameful if w/w pushed on the same thing at the same time

you could just be saying that bc its what we expect you to say -galaxy brain-

but in all seriousness, im starting to agree more with keldeo as time goes on - it definitely feels like there is anti-alignment going on somewhere

i do feel like if i was a wolf, i would be more inclined to try and throw shade back at keldeo than i would be to add shade to the already existing vote? it feels like a double vote onto someone out of the blue would be too risky of a move for wolves

 

[Trebek]

you could just be saying that bc its what we expect you to say -galaxy brain-

this should not at all be taken seriously

 

[Keldeo]

To be clear, by anti-alignment I mean "not wolf/wolf", rather than "specifically wolf/villager".

i wouldn’t really be surprised if a wolf seized this opportunity to cast shade, either

oh that's true, i just didn't think much shade was being cast

Yeah, I agree. My thought is no one was really casting a lot of doubt on anyone. You initially on me I guess, but you kind of backed off after I explained. Rari maybe but they undercut it in literally the same post by saying they didn't think it'd make sense as mafia either.

 

[mewtini]

im starting to agree more with keldeo as time goes on - it definitely feels like there is anti-alignment going on somewhere

i thought keldeo was guessing that it was more likely a Villager Theater

but I think it's somewhat more likely 3 than 2, haha.

i guess when i saw your vote i was just expecting ryan to answer and for people to engage with it and instead it just seemed like people were increasingly combative about it and i don’t really understand the cause for that

idrk what else to say other than "i got confused and asked questions about it"

 

[kyeugh]

i definitely read stuff like “keldeo didnt play like this last time” and “hmmm seems odd for him to start a vote train” etc as like, if not shade then potential setup for a mislynch later
that may be a bit tinfoily and i don’t believe it really but its more the point that stuff is kind of pinging me that way at all based on a play that i still feel like was perfectly reasonable esp after explanation

 

[Keldeo]

Anyway unvote. I'm pretty satisfied with how that turned out.

Spoiler

@Eifie the real reason that I can't rp Newcomb as town is that he ~holds nothing back~ and ~never FPSes~ and I can't help but do silly stuff like this

 

[Trebek]

im starting to agree more with keldeo as time goes on - it definitely feels like there is anti-alignment going on somewhere

i thought keldeo was guessing that it was more likely a Villager Theater

was mostly referring to this, just to make sure there isnt confusion:

I do think if we are v/v, the groupings of like, [mewtini rari (maybe also throw ILS here?)] / [kyeugh, and I guess that's it actually] are pretty well anti-aligned.

 

[kyeugh]

idrk what else to say other than "i got confused and asked questions about it"

i mean that’s fair but it’s not really just you, more the trend of like... people having hostile reactions to what i thought was a solvy and somewhat toothless play, and then like. trying to rationalize why it might be coming from scum

i guess where i’m at is just, like, i feel like keldeo’s vote/push is exactly the kind of thing we should be doing right now—taking minor leans we have and pushing on them to generate conversation, and running from there. the initial confusion on him dropping his vote and running makes sense, but like... idk, i just found it weird that people were so ?? about it. i honestly don’t really care about this that much but at the time it was mostly keldeo on the defense and no one was really sticking up for him so i wanted to say something about it and now i am still talking about it i guess

 

[Trebek]

Anyway unvote. I'm pretty satisfied with how that turned out.

honestly, same here. idk exactly where my vibes on people have landed, but i know that itll be something i can refer to when new drama invariably happens.

(and frankly, next time this happens ill be much more equipped to respond without freaking out :p i'm too used to ToS bandwagon voting, not used to actually being able to make a case/convince people to unvote)

 

[Trebek]

idk, i just found it weird that people were so ?? about it. i honestly don’t really care about this that much but at the time it was mostly keldeo on the defense and no one was really sticking up for him so i wanted to say something about it and now i am still talking about it i guess

wholeheartedly agree with this. i didnt exactly feel in a position to stick up for keldeo as it was happening, bc i thought that could be interpreted as openwolfing, but i support

 

[kyeugh]

here’s some catposting btw

 

[Bluwiikoon]

Think I'm okay just letting Blu vibe for the day. Yeah he did say he's played before although years ago, and his content is not anything that really knocks my socks off, but I like his tone and presence.

@Bluwiikoon have you got any thoughts about Trebek and Rari?

If it helps, I could elaborate more about my prior experiences? ^^ For all intents and purposes I am pretty much a newbie, but if it contributes to discussion in any way I'm happy to help.

My thoughts regarding Trebek and Rari were pretty much uhhh "head empty, no thoughts". I reread a few Rari posts and they seem like they're trying their best, tryin' to contribute to discussion and stuff. Perhaps I oughta take more notes due to my ADHD, or just let stronger feelings keep carrying me :o

As for Trebek, no real thoughts, but given that you asked me about them and then proceeded to gently push them, I'd say you (Keldeo) definitely had some suspicions about them and were probably looking for confirmation. Did anything in particular about Trebek's posts seem odd to you?

 

[rari_teh]

I have to be pushed into taking stands

you kinda weren’t when you voted trebek tbh

Can you talk a little bit more about this bolded part?

it kinda is what it is, really. I still kinda can’t wrap my head around what you were trying to do there regardless of alignment, it’s just ????
I guess I kinda sorta understand it now after so much explaining, but I still have no idea on what would this imply regarding your alignment
in other words, no shade, but also no tr

Unsure how to feel about the fact that it seems rari is parroting or following along after mewtini about some of this.

…not really? we’re just thinking similar tbh

 

[Bluwiikoon]

@IndigoEmmy Are you doing okay? Your last few posts in here seem a bit like maybe you were upset ;o; Or I could be reading too much into it!!

I would usually ask this kind of thing out of thread, but if it's game related I don't wanna uhhhhh inadvertently break The Rules

 

[kyeugh]

you kinda weren’t when you voted trebek tbh

that’s the point; he’s trying to change that aspect of his play by taking a more active role, i.e. by pushing on herbe without being prompted

it kinda is what it is, really. I still kinda can’t wrap my head around what you were trying to do there regardless of alignment, it’s just ????
I guess I kinda sorta understand it now after so much explaining, but I still have no idea on what would this imply regarding your alignment

he was just placing a vote based on a slight read to pressure trebek, then voiced his thought process aloud as he interpreted the reaction, and eventually unvoted as he was satisfied with the response that trebek gave. i don’t think it’s all that strange at all, and probably doesn’t really imply that much

 

[kyeugh]

pushing on herbe

* pushing on trebek

 

[Bluwiikoon]

i like blu too for the record, i think he’s felt pretty much fine. i just don’t want to do the “he feels pretty comfortable for a newbie so that’s a good look!” thing because i think it underestimates him/ sets a low bar for him for no particular reason

At the moment I'm just uhhhh not really responding to spec about me in particular because I don't wanna sway things one way or the other, but I just wanna say I appreciate kyeugh's thoughts here, and I feel like not wanting to underestimate the newbie feels pretty towny imo :D I think not immediately clearing me is a good play from an outside perspective, 'cause you never really know.

I'm totally town though you guys!! No guns in these pockets!