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Communism?

I have to say I find that, if anything, the further socialism retreats from pure equality, the more practical problems it faces. Economically, things get complicated. The bureaucracy thickens and becomes harder to administer. Nevermind that half the moral arguments for socialism break down.
Music Dragon said:
So basically, if you work hard, you are rewarded, but if you don't, you get nothing.

Sounds an awful lot like -
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Don't even entertain the idea that capitalism is meritocratic.
 
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Even in the best-case scenario, whatever that is, capitalism is still in essence just a nervous system for carrying information about supply and demand. It is amoral and has no notion of "merit" or "effort" except inasmuch as they are reflected in the price of a good. The idea that capitalism can be meritocratic, or that meritocracy is possible at all, has always been a downright mistake. There is not even any way of gauging merit, let alone building a society around it.
 
as they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think that it as a system works very well. in theory. i think we should just start a revolution and MAKE it work.
 
sakura said:
as they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think that it as a system works very well. in theory. i think we should just start a revolution and MAKE it work.
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Nah, that wouldn't work. Human nature just doesn't allow that to happen. Ther would always be fights and everything.

EDIT: Anyone read The Giver by Lois Lowry? It really ties in to this subject, I think.
 
Or, more directly, Animal Farm by George Orwell. It's quite literally a metaphor for communism.
 
Too bad Orwell was a self-described socialist who kept Trotskyist pamphlets in his drawer. :(
 
Yeah, the whole reason Orwell wrote the book was that he didn't like Stalin. There's a reason both the humans and the pigs are corrupt.
 
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Too bad Orwell was a self-described socialist who kept Trotskyist pamphlets in his drawer. :(
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Speaking of this, what is even the difference between Socialism and Communism? I mean, in theory, yes they have a distinct difference but the way they've worked out in the past and present there's no major distinction besides name.
 
Pwnemon said:
Speaking of this, what is even the difference between Socialism and Communism? I mean, in theory, yes they have a distinct difference but the way they've worked out in the past and present there's no major distinction besides name.
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USSR collapsed in a miserable soggy heap and socialist Europe... consistently tops the Human Development Index? I'm not sure socialism and communism have produced the same results.
 
Greece... Is dying in a pit?

Portugal... has a higher debt than GNP? (iirc)

They both are a government-owned command economy with chronic debt problems. I still see no real difference (Economically. That's what both theories are about.)
 
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Greece... Is dying in a pit?

Portugal... has a higher debt than GNP? (iirc)

They both are a government-owned command economy with chronic debt problems. I still see no real difference (Economically. That's what both theories are about.)
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Greece and Portugal came 25th and 34th. You've conveniently ignored the 7 European countries in the top 10, the 9 in total which did better than the US and the 15 which make up the top 20.
 
You also forgot to mention that Amercia kinda introduced that kind of socialism to Europe when helping with the recovery after WWII. And that FDR was going to start it here if he hadn't died.
 
Actually I do sort of remember the Weimar Republic appearing some time before WWII... hmmmmmmm...
 
If you think Portugal is the way it is because of Socialism and not because it's led by human waste in a suit then son you got another thing coming

(ps before you post learn what you're talking about)
 
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