Contest Pokémafia Spectacular! - Game Thread

[RNP]

openly admitting that your role is scummy is towny these days. qenya ain't stupid. qenya is, however, claiming that FRENZY PLANT is a roleblock

 

[RNP]

and body slam? instead of, iouno, sleep powder, or sweet scent, or something to do with aroma. sound off, everyone, if your flavors are this wonky.

all my flavors, they reference me being an extraterrestrial. incinerate sets people on fire, boosting appeal, but i forget that these fragile earth lifeforms are flammable, killing them at the eod. morning sun, my conditional roleblock, mentions "the limits of earth eyes". wonder room references robbin replacing baseline reality with our home dimension. confide has us attempting to communicate with these primitivr lifeforms (Effectiveness varies.), appealboosting townies and nerfing mafia.

i genuinely do not believe mf would spend this much effort describing my roles and then just say "ah, frenzy plant and body slam, roleblocks, fuck it," so you must be lying about SOMETHING.

 

[sanderidge]

uhh. i can safely say that out of my moves, two do not do anything remotely like what they're flavored as, and two do do what they sound like, kind of? so i really don't wholly disbelieve that frenzy plant could be a roleblock, aside from my general suspicion about qenya and lilligant and frenzy plant?

 

[qenya]

and body slam? instead of, iouno, sleep powder, or sweet scent, or something to do with aroma. sound off, everyone, if your flavors are this wonky

well. sleep powder and sweet scent aren't Tough. if mf was fitting the flavour to the role, she'd be looking for one move of each type excluding Cute that lilligant can learn and that vaguely evokes roleblocking... I haven't checked but I find it perfectly easy to believe that body slam was the best option available for Tough. it can paralyze at least.

regardless, at this point if you're still tunnelled on me i don't think anything other than a flip is going to get you out, so i think i'd rather look at more productive avenues of discussion.

@mewtini wanna talk a bit more about your vote on me? earlier you were saying flavour wasn't a sensible reason to vote... did something change?

 

[mewtini]

regardless, at this point if you're still tunnelled on me i don't think anything other than a flip is going to get you out, so i think i'd rather look at more productive avenues of discussion.

@mewtini wanna talk a bit more about your vote on me? earlier you were saying flavour wasn't a sensible reason to vote... did something change?

why would something have had to change

there are things to read besides just flavor, i was just saying that i don’t think that particular thing is all that important necessarily (and i think there’s a wide range of available moves/movesets at play, going off of my own)

also i was keeping it tied up

 

[mewtini]

and also i do actually TR herbe more than you

 

[mewtini]

i honestly loosely don’t want to kill anyone toDay lol but i know we should

 

[mewtini]

EoD is about to sneak up on me (it’s 8:30am and i’m about to go back to sleep)

cringe but i’m kinda tempted to suggest a third wagon but i don’t know who yet. why are the herbe voters voting herbe, is it mostly because they voted qenya lol

ugh remind me next game that i am bad at mafia actually and my whole "dont focus on acting townie when im townie just be natural" schtick doesnt work when im Bad At Being Town, i gotta get better at this game

that all being said i don't think im the worst mis-execute so /shrug is how it is

i don’t think w!herbe ~ever posts this and while i TLed kate earlier on i’ve mellowed out on that (there were certain tonal things that i thought sounded more like villa but on reflection they’re closer to scumrange for her than i think herbe’s posting has been to their scumrange, even if they haven’t been as active)

also something feels off to me about qenya’s retaliation against herbe, i don’t think the justification herbe gave was necessarily as “suspicious” as it was made out to be and it kind of feels like qenya OMGUSed

I was kinda wondering why I didn't get included in qenyas list though... Am I really that much of a non-entity in this game so far?

oh shit im so sorry dude! i'm afraid so, literally didn't even notice i'd missed you. guess you're almost by definition in the "no strong feelings" section

tinfoiling this for no reason

 

[mewtini]

also abruptness is not at all super wolf indicative for herbe. he tends to be kind of capricious with reads and i almost think that he was *less* abrupt as mafia during tvtropes. considering his post history was kind of thin, and it’s d1, i don’t think i expect to see a full progression esp if it is just a gutread. and it seems less scummy to not even try to justify it but still hang onto it for the rest of the day out of conviction, lol (as opposed to wiggling out of it under pressure, which imo he had the opportunity to do)

hate when i end up talking to myself for half a page. Im Sorry .

i miss @Wisper (im aware of your slank cover) + want to hear thoughts from @myuma (i know you said you’ll miss EoD, but just in case you’re here before then) + @sanderidge did you actually ever vote? (who else am i missing? @JackPK ?)

i miss ZM can you guide me from beyond the grave plz

 

[mewtini]

TLDR though i dont think qenya has actually been that scummy, i just feel more confident that herbe is town and this could very well be v/v (need to reread not at 9am or on mobile). i’m trying to figure out what i want my sciencewagon to be. Gn

 

[mewtini]

actually, @qenya, who would you vote after herbe (if anyone)

 

[qenya]

why would something have had to change

no particular reason i guess! just that you didn't offer any other explanation, and we were tied before you voted so if you'd got it in before EoD it would have shifted it up to 5-4. so i figured there must be some logic behind it. but your thought process makes sense to me, cool

cringe but i’m kinda tempted to suggest a third wagon but i don’t know who yet. why are the herbe voters voting herbe, is it mostly because they voted qenya lol

kinda i guess? less the fact of the vote, and more that they seemed to be piggybacking off RNP's push. but i freely admit it's based on nothing mech since it turns out i have no useful mech info whatsoever lol.

i'm not opposed to a different wagon if someone has a better idea but i think it will be quite hard to get off the ground without @myuma's doublevote, so i'm sticking where i am for now out of self pres. (i will be online at EoD so don't wait for me if you manage that.)

 

[qenya]

actually, @qenya, who would you vote after herbe (if anyone)

ah i missed this. tricky tbh, nothing much has changed since my tierlist the other day... sande and you still seem pretty levelheaded, and i might put stryke round about there too, or at least at the top of the nullpile... i guess i would move to "yeet the inactives" out of a lack of any other ideas. and of them it seems mean to go for jack when he has good reasons not to be paying much attention to the game, so wisper probably. but i stress that's the weakest possible justification i can imagine

 

[mewtini]

less the fact of the vote, and more that they seemed to be piggybacking off RNP's push.

gotcha, that makes some more sense

i see what you mean, i think i’m projecting the fact that i’ve definitely been in situations where i was suspicious of someone but too nervous to vocalize it until someone with some more thread weight brought it up. the main thing that makes me townread herbe here is the way that they’ve stuck to it, i think

 

[mewtini]

i honestly think i want off the wagons fr

ok i’m actually going to sleep now bye

 

[qenya]

i see what you mean, i think i’m projecting the fact that i’ve definitely been in situations where i was suspicious of someone but too nervous to vocalize it until someone with some more thread weight brought it up. the main thing that makes me townread herbe here is the way that they’ve stuck to it, i think

hmmm... hmm.... hmm..... i can't fully relate, and i can't say i see what you see about their towngame, but i guess i follow your logic and see where you're coming from. it makes me uneasy but perhaps i just need to trust your superior experience.

i tell you what i'll unvote for now to take off some pressure/rancorousness. but fair warning i'm going back on before EoD if myuma doesn't swap

wagons rn are
qenya (5) - RNP x3, herbe, mewt
herbe (3) - myuma x2, stryke
not voting - qenya, wisper, jack
unclever - sande :(

 

[haneko]

oh, looks like we got some extra time

i honestly loosely don’t want to kill anyone toDay lol but i know we should

ye same tbh

I didn't know (before mewt informed me) that sudden votes are very herbe-esque, and it makes him seem less suspicious than before. so I'm going to unvote

I feel like both qenya and herbe have had strong rebuttals to people placing pressure on them tbh. Wrt qenya's flavour coming under suspicion, sanderidge has mentioned having 4 moves + odd flavours as well, so it doesn't seem unlikely to me that there is some inconsistency in how flavours are written.

 

[JackPK]

no guarantee that this will be An Indicator, but in case it is: qenya, if you feel comfortable, would you be able to give any description as to how your roleblocks are differentiated from each other? I am curious whether it will be similar to mine, in which case I would be much more comfortable believing your claim

hmm... i kept it secret out of habit but, sure, i think it would be quite hard to take advantage of. my moves are the four combinations of "only blocks high-appeal moves" vs "only blocks low-appeal moves" (the exact cutoff i will keep private, i think...) and "blocks the target earning appeal as well" vs "only blocks the effect". petal blizzard is obviously the one that only blocks high-appeal moves and doesn't block the target earning appeal.

my moves also have "target used high-appeal" vs. "target used low-appeal" as one of their differentiators, so I'm inclined to believe this.

uhh. i can safely say that out of my moves, two do not do anything remotely like what they're flavored as, and two do do what they sound like, kind of? so i really don't wholly disbelieve that frenzy plant could be a roleblock, aside from my general suspicion about qenya and lilligant and frenzy plant?

same here, my moves are somewhat flavored like what you might expect them to be, but only if you kind of squint sideways at them (i.e. the effect was obviously decided first, then the flavors, then the ad hoc justification to link them).

I was lightly townreading RNP early on but this insistent push on flavor, when I don't think flavor is ever (or at least should be ever, in a well constructed game) worth pouncing this hard on, is making me trust him less. not enough to vote but, enough to mention

temporarily placing my vote on no yeet for the moment but will move it if in the next few hours I get enough leeway from work and other IRL stresses before EOD to go back and do a proper thread re-read, or if a wagon materializes that I can believe in more than qenya

 

[RNP]

i had a dream that qenya used a day ability called lullaby which ended the day with no vote and i got super angry

 

[RNP]

i suppose this serves as a friendly reminder to keep mafia beef in the mafia subforum which i did NOT do in the dream.