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Doctor Who Club

The episode was really great, I thought! I really liked Oswin, although I do kind of wish Moffat would write women with a personality other than 'sassy' (that's not even a feminist thing, it just gets boring as a viewer), and his "lol, women liking women" thing isn't perhaps as progressive as he thinks it is (I'll cut him a break for giving the world Jenny and Vastra who were awesome, but he seriously needs to stop it). And the only black character in the episode died/was dead already. And - I genuinely didn't mean for this post to be be as sociological as this, but - Amy leaving Rory because she decided she's not good enough for him because she can't have children was appalling. (this explains why better than I can). Although, speaking of the Ponds, 'Pond Life' was pretty cute and a nice concept, even though it was a pretty unfortunate title for the miniseries, given that in the UK, 'pondlife' is slang for... people regarded as scum, basically.

The reveal about Oswin was excellently done, I thought, especially because - SPOILER IN A SPOILER - apparently Oswin's actress is going to be a full-time companion after the Ponds leave? That's what I read a while ago and what Wikipedia says, so I'm wondering how on earth that's going to work. Some absolutely excellent acting from Matt, and I loved the sets. The Daleks saying how the Doctor always needs a companion was very cute, too. And "Oh, Oswin, you did it to all of them!" was not only lovely, but I wonder what they're going to do with that in later episodes. Should be good.

And I can't wait for the next episode! I'm wary about just thinking it's going to be the best thing ever just because it's dinosaurs on a spaceship, because the pirates in space episode last series should've been the best thing ever and so, so wasn't. But the guest actors are all BRILLIANT, so a lot will have to go wrong for it to not be great :)
 
Oswin was a pretty cool character. I predicted very quickly that she'd turn out to be a Dalek, but I figured that would mean in the puppet sense and that she'd just been lying all along to lure the Doctor into some kind of INESCAPABLE DALEK DEATH TRAP that they for some reason felt the need to make instead of just killing him on the spot when he was at the Dalek parliament, not that she genuinely thought she was human. (Speaking of Dalek death traps, I rather enjoyed the implication that the reason the Daleks have always been so incompetent at killing the Doctor but managed to capture him and be in a situation to kill him really easily now is that on some level they're invigorated by his hatred for them.)

Yeah, the Amy thing was weird. I'd be down with Amy personally being devastated at being infertile, sure - she could have an arc about realizing she doesn't have to stake her self-worth on something like that - but here it's all about Rory and treated like this means NO CHILDREN EVER. Granted, the episode didn't get a lot of time to have them actually discuss their options (though obviously they should have discussed their options already instead of Amy just deciding she has to ~give him up~ and not tell him why), so I'm still holding out for there maybe being something in the next/some future episode.

I've got to admit I'm a little surprised by that (otherwise good) article Dannichu linked insisting that Amy just settled for Rory because she couldn't have the Doctor, but then again some Q&A thing with the creators I watched the other day also seemed to insist that there was totally a love triangle still going there, so I guess my perception that Amy has so repeatedly chosen Rory over the Doctor that the love triangle was settled two series ago isn't quite as obvious as it seems to me. (Also, that speech Amy made to older!Amy about Rory in The Girl Who Waited was about the sincerest expression of real love that I've ever seen on television, but I guess Amy trying to jump the Doctor once years ago before they married puts her love for Rory in Serious Doubt anyway, or something.)

Now it's just finding out how Oswin manages to be a permanent companion despite the, you know, being a Dalek bit.
 
Dannichu manages to sum up my thoughts so well. :p

I think a lot of people are getting (justifiably) mad about Oswin's throwaway line about being in a 'phase'. I missed that it was a phase the first time watching and assumed she was actually gay and was so happy that the Doctor's gonna actually have a gay companion e___e so now I'm just hoping by 'phase' she meant... realizing now... she actually is gay... sob. Or at least bi sob. I mean I can't even explain how excited I was.

Also Amy leaving Rory was sort of wtf out of nowhere, just to create drama?? I'm glad they're at least back together now because it'd be weird watching them not together. >_>
 
Aside from whoo, representation!, a gay (and no, Moffat, not gay-except-for-really-intellectual-guys) lady companion would be absolutely brilliant because it might mean there could be another Doctor-Donna relationship, where they're awesome BFFs, with none of the slightly annoying 'human girl pining over the Doctor who will never return his love' business.

I also think that Amy doesn't seem to be in love with the Doctor anymore, especially since River married him. Rory and Amy do have some very cute scenes, but the 'childlessness!!!' thing came out of nowhere (not least because they already had a child), and I hope it gets addressed in later episodes.
 
I KNOW god I'm still dying hoping she's gay e___e I can't even!! Just, someone who doesn't piiiine over the doctor as if he's magic eye porn. Sob. Why can't Moffat ever get it right :[

I just don't get why Amy/Rory couldn't talk about the issue yaknow? LIke. If one of them said 'hey this is my feels' 'this is my feels' then nothing would've happened. And they never seemed like a couple that didn't talk...? Idk?
 
Since the schools'll be going back soon, I might be giving the Doctor Who experience a visit since it won't be as crowded.
 
omg this episode

Only Rory. Only Rory would try and give a crazy Dalek it's eggs because he thought it was asking for them.

I am also wondering how Moffat is going to handle this whole Oswin thing. I mean, he can't pull another River, that's boooooring. Mum (who is also an avid Whovian) suggested that maybe they'll take her consciousness and stick it in a Ganger?

Also: YES DINOSAURS IN SPACE
MY FIRST 'FANDOM' WAS DINOSAURS
(my second was Pokemon so yeah)

i am forever calling oswin 'souffle lady'
 
Doctor Who on FB just brought something super-cool to my attention: this wallscape (if it doesn't work because you don't have FB or something (I don't know how these things work) it's this picture painted excellently on a wall). Wonderful piece of art, and I love that this was a project (getting artists work and making the world a bit more Who-y are both excellent things), but whyyyyy that picture? That picture is, as far as I'm aware, the official series 7 promo picture and it's just so incredibly not in the spirit of Doctor Who. Fires and explosions and the Doctor just standing there holding an unconscious Amy?? What happened to the Doctor running away from stuff? I really love the Doctor holding his companion's hand as they're running away from a villain, most of whom don't need to be exploding in a raging fire to be awesome. But holding her unconscious body? Amy holding an unconscious Doctor would've made more sense.
 
Dannichu said:
Doctor Who on FB just brought something super-cool to my attention: this wallscape (if it doesn't work because you don't have FB or something (I don't know how these things work) it's this picture painted excellently on a wall). Wonderful piece of art, and I love that this was a project (getting artists work and making the world a bit more Who-y are both excellent things), but whyyyyy that picture? That picture is, as far as I'm aware, the official series 7 promo picture and it's just so incredibly not in the spirit of Doctor Who. Fires and explosions and the Doctor just standing there holding an unconscious Amy?? What happened to the Doctor running away from stuff? I really love the Doctor holding his companion's hand as they're running away from a villain, most of whom don't need to be exploding in a raging fire to be awesome. But holding her unconscious body? Amy holding an unconscious Doctor would've made more sense.
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I've heard someone say that it's the American influence on Doctor Who.

As for the not conscious Amy... she is supposed to die or something this season. I mean this is her last one. Maybe it's an allusion to that?
 
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship!

Eh. I was wary for the wrong reasons - the episode was actually quite fun and had some good moments - I loved Mitchell and Webb as the robots, the dinosaurs looked great (by BBC standards), Rory's dad was wonderful, and there were some lovely moments and lines in the episode. I'm just really, really annoyed that Nefertiti didn't really do anything except be taken hostage and then have sex with the sexist ass that had been wildly inappropriate all episode. I'd be less annoyed if Nefertiti wasn't an actual person who Moffat had twisted for his own purposes.
Speaking of, it's only episode 2 of the new series and I'm missing RTD's massive cast of reoccurring characters (Harriet Jones, Mickey, Wilf, Jack, Boe, Sarah Jane...), a missing that doesn't usually hit till the finale. You can't just take a queen from Ancient Egypt (or a game hunter from Victorian times for that matter), throw her on a spaceship with dinosaurs and fail to explain why she isn't freaking out. I'm tired of these one-off characters being friends with the Doctor already, but us having never seen them before. Craig's second episode was done wonderfully, I just wish he'd do it more.

The Doctor still having a Christmas list was very cute, and I do kind of enjoy that the Doctor's now kissed River, Amy and Rory.
 
*avoids spoilers like the plague*

I'd like to join. I haven't seen much of dr who but I've seen a few episodes, and it looks pretty cool. I read the thread and I'll check out the suggested episodes. Where can I find them at?
 
Amala said:
*avoids spoilers like the plague*

I'd like to join. I haven't seen much of dr who but I've seen a few episodes, and it looks pretty cool. I read the thread and I'll check out the suggested episodes. Where can I find them at?
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Seasons 1-6 are all on Netflix. It's probably the easiest way to watch all the episodes. If you don't have a Netflix account, just mooch off a friend who has one, or better yet, sign up for a trial.
 
Though I remember someone telling me not all the episodes are on netflix? Something about specials?
 
I wasn't too fond of yesterday's episode.
Hunter man (or whatever it was he does) didn't seem to serve any use to the plot at all. He shot a few dinosaurs, is that it? I swear he could have been taken out of the episode and it would have been exactly the same.
Brian should have been much more weirded out by everything that was happening. I know people accepting things too quickly isn't exactly new in Who but it's still quite unrealistic when they accept it too quickly. Almost as bad as Huw Edwards's 'Everyone vanished from the olympic stadium, but they're back now! Oh well!'
I suppose Egyptian Lady and Hunter Man could have travelled with the Doctor before, so I suppose what's why they weren't freaking out.
The robots could have been good, but they got annoying after a bit.
The fact that in order to fly the ship, two people who are related are required. What's the point of that? Is it to stop people from hijacking it? Because what if hijackers happen to be related - why not make the computer just make sure the pilots are Silurian? Because what if one of the Silurian pilots died? I refuse to believe that all of them on the ship were related because it was an ark and I'd want to get as much diversity onto it as possible. Also it was incredibly convenient that Brian just happened to be there so he and Rory could fly it. It feels like the writer needed those two to do something but nobody else, and came up with a plot device just for that purpose.
I'm not a fan of innuendos. I'm especially not a fan of ones as painfully obvious as the "my balls" and "big weapon" ones. This episode felt like they appealed to older audiences with jokes like that and the youngest with the robots who were constantly arguing. Instead of appealing to both with, you know, good writing.

I've seen a few people complain that the Doctor basically killed Filch, but it didn't really bother me that much. He killed the Sycorax in The Christmas Invasion. Also he killed Tricey!
 
Dannichu said:
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship!

Eh. I was wary for the wrong reasons - the episode was actually quite fun and had some good moments - I loved Mitchell and Webb as the robots, the dinosaurs looked great (by BBC standards), Rory's dad was wonderful, and there were some lovely moments and lines in the episode. I'm just really, really annoyed that Nefertiti didn't really do anything except be taken hostage and then have sex with the sexist ass that had been wildly inappropriate all episode. I'd be less annoyed if Nefertiti wasn't an actual person who Moffat had twisted for his own purposes.
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I'm not sure I'd quite agree that Nefertiti didn't do anything - she wasn't taken hostage so much as giving herself up temporarily to save others, of her own volition, and eventually she was the one who incapacitated Solomon. Her getting with Riddell was pretty awful, though.

I agree with Photo Finish on the contrivedness of the "pilots must be related" thing and how quickly Rory's dad accepted the whole thing (did he even know the Doctor existed?). Still reasonably enjoyable, though.

I'm not too keen on how the Doctor killed Solomon, but that's mostly because it was played pretty much like a standard beat-the-bad guy thing. The Doctor is generally so averse to killing that it should be a big deal when he does, or considers doing it. I want to see trembling Time Lord rage, you know.
 
Agreed with everything everyone's said. I figured Nephertiti and hunter-guy had been with the Doctor before on trips so they were use to it (though god why in the world would the Doctor take hunter-guy anywhere, he's so gross), but Rory's dad, wtf.

Also yeah I want a bit more of a reaction if the Doctor's actually killing someone. I mean even for me that was a bit... okay... killing's not cool... I mean yeah he's not a good person but the Doctor must surely think about it more than just, eh, bye guy press button you're dead. ?_? 9th doctor was perfect in his murder - so much rage and it really epitomized how the doctor was, he was an angry doctor man. But 11 isn't really angry? He's more, jokey. It seems so ooc for him to a) kill someone and b) not act like it's a big deal at all.
 
Actually, I was more miffed when the Doctor aided the destruction of an entire planet-asylum without seeming morally perturbed by it at all. I know the Daleks are the Doctor's biggest enemy and they had the potential to do some seriously bad stuff, but it was established the all the Daleks in the asylum were old/mad (most of them were just sleeping, to be fair), and the Doctor having absolutely no qualms at all about killing them all seemed a bit Tory of him.

Although him killing Filch was annoying, too. Even when the Doctor killed the Sycorax, it was after he'd given them a chance to run away (not something he gave Filch the option of doing) and even after it was made clear they were a continuing threat to humanity, after Harriet Jones had them all killed, he basically ruined her life for it (ageism for the win, Tenth Doctor, not your finest moment).

The only thing the Doctor's done that I can think of that comes close to killing Filch like he did was with the Family of Blood, which was, like Butterfree said, full of Time Lordy rage and quite chilling to watch.

Ahaha, oh my god, Huw Edward's bit on Doctor Who (on the otherwise bland Fear Her) might be my favourite moment ever. "Bob?? Where are you Bob???"


Amala said:
Though I remember someone telling me not all the episodes are on netflix? Something about specials?
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The Specials are meant to come between the end of series 4 and the beginning of series 5, so even if they aren't available on Netflix, if you're starting watching from the beginning, you won't reach them for a while anyway (plus, half of them aren't very good at all). I'm sure someone will have them all uploaded somewhere. I'm so jealous of you being able to watch the early series for the first time; if you do start watching, you should post here about your favourite episodes and stuff as you go :D
 
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