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Forum Revival TV Tropes Mafia Revival - D7

Negrek said:
In response to mewtini asking why people were voting already. From your post it sounded to me like you were checking out and wanted to throw in a last vote before you went, but if you had another reason,
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oh

no I'm just mentally checked out
 
i thought oppositely aligned lovers was precisely what a tragic lover pair was, and is also the only possibility assuming that rari didn't get redirected and that herbe is town

also now that i think more about it, it makes more sense as to why mawile might've made the post i was questioning earlier; even if it were maybe self-sacrificial, throwing some doubt on herbe could help with later killing him off (what i'm attempting to describe is the inverse of what i mentioned with herbe trying to preserve as many wincons as he could. mawile doing this could also save him from later retconning on herbe and having more suspicion drawn to himself)
 
mewtini said:
i thought oppositely aligned lovers was precisely what a tragic lover pair was, and is also the only possibility assuming that rari didn't get redirected and that herbe is town
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my understanding is that tragic lovers are a specific variant, and not one compatible with the lover assignment being pseudo-random as it allegedly was rather then assigned by butterfree pregame.
 
Just to clarify because I’m pretty sure that sooner or later somebody will question me about this:

Someone would have said:
Why didn’t you investigate Ottercopter if you were so suspicious about her?
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On N1, because I thought people would sort her out the next Day after what happened on EoD and that would be a total waste of investigation.
On N2, because Otter’s actions on D2 convinced me that she isn’t mafia (probably 3p or, who knows, telling the truth)
 
tbh smart move because i wondered, but i also thought that an MF read made total sense given discussion
 
Butterfree said:
(Incidentally, when this game finishes, I'll show you all what happened in the old TV Tropes Mafia too. Finally closure.)
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I am delighted to hear you still have your notes about this from ten years ago!

mewtini said:
sorry i'm like pathetically conflicted about having to also kill off herbe in light of this but i'm now pretty sure that this is the scenario rn

not that i disagree but could you explain this a bit more?
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Basically, I wasn't feeling a Mawile lynch last night, but then Mawile said that they'd motion-detected Herbe N0 and gotten no movement. Stryke then popped up to claim they'd healed Herbe N0, which, if Mawile was actually a motion detector, would have registered as activity.

At that point I was pretty much like... yeeeeeah, that makes me pretty suspicious of Mawile. It's possible that Stryke's lying or that his action was blocked/redirected and never reached Herbe. But now a new day rolls around, and we have another piece of evidence that points to Mawile being Mafia... It's still possible he's Town! But we're starting to have to believe multiple coincidences here. The most simple explanation is that Mawile's mafia.

Also, if Mawile dies and flips town, that would paint a big target on both Stryke and rari_teh, as far as I'm concerned. It's a bit surprising that Stryke was able to claim doctor and live the night, so of the two he's more suspicious in my mind. It's possible that they're both Town and weird stuff went down with their night actions (cop and doc sure are bold Mafia fakeclaims!), but again, if Mawile flips innocent, simplest explanation is that one or both is lying. So, I think even if Mawile were to flip innocent, we'd be set up with some good future targets after seeing his true alignment.

As for MF? If we lynch Mawile and he flips mafia, MF is immediately on the chopping block next as far as I'm concerned. I'm not opposed to sussing her out more today, either! I don't think she's a bad target, just that her death would put fewer immediate questions to rest. Definitely worth taking a look back and seeing who's been suspecting her, how she's been voting, etc. But all in all I'm liking Mawile better as a target just at the moment.
 
Negrek said:
I am delighted to hear you still have your notes about this from ten years ago!
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tbh, coming from Butterfree, I wasn’t surprised at all given the fact that (at least until little time ago) one could still browse 2003!TCoD lmao
Negrek said:
At that point I was pretty much like... yeeeeeah, that makes me pretty suspicious of Mawile. It's possible that Stryke's lying or that his action was blocked/redirected and never reached Herbe. But now a new day rolls around, and we have another piece of evidence that points to Mawile being Mafia... It's still possible he's Town! But we're starting to have to believe multiple coincidences here. The most simple explanation is that Mawile's mafia.
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I completely agree.
 
thanks! totally agree with ... pretty much all of that

Negrek said:
Basically, I wasn't feeling a Mawile lynch last night, but then Mawile said that they'd motion-detected Herbe N0 and gotten no movement. Stryke then popped up to claim they'd healed Herbe N0, which, if Mawile was actually a motion detector, would have registered as activity.
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yeah - we all mentioned EoD that motion-detecting was impossibly easy to fake, but looking back mawile could've said this after an attempted mafia kill? (since herbe said that mawile got trapped/loverized n0.) in which case it makes sense that mawile would choose herbe to fakeclaim this about; herbe would have no reason to counter, and lying and saying the motion-detect attempt went to anyone else would be significantly riskier

that scenario doesn't really say anything about stryke's claim, though, since i'm assuming herbe's role actually made him immune to a kill attempt, so that leaves us at null. either way i agree that a mawile flip will reveal more than an MF one - i kinda think that since this is looking like we'll hit an early consensus (? again knock on wood) that a lot of time can go into talking about/with MF and stryke, etc
 
goyvens do you people ever stop posting-

I suppose it's time for my tell-all, in any case, because I have much in the way of shit that's highly relevant to the jour's discussion
 
rari_teh said:
As for MF, we could purposefully leave both her and Mawile with the same amount of votes and leave the decision to Random.org
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i hate to say this but i may be more on-board with just letting MF be next in line for now, even that's what comes to pass. also there is still a redirect somewhere out there, so i'd rather just talk to MF before saying stuff like this

why cant we all just get along tbh.....! hardclaim there is no mafia. we are all just bffs
 
Mawile said:
Food for thought: if this is true, then I would have needed to try to use the mafia kill on Herbe, right? So who killed Jack n0?
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vigilante? (that guess has its own issues though)
i hope everyone realizes i really am just throwing ideas around btw
 
kyeugh said:
btw, i know for sure there is a redirector. you’ll just have to trust me on that.
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Do you know whether this redirector redirects their target’s actions or deflects the actions targeting their target? Sorry if that makes little sense lol
 
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