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[rari_teh]

I’m writing a reply to mewtini’s q but. Guys. Shall we not lynch the dude who has a potentially useful role just because he’s making poor decisions? Wouldn’t it be a smarter move if somebody else swapped with him?

 

[Herbe]

yeah i really don't think an RNP lynch is gonna be useful today. Maybe an idea for tomorrow though.

 

[Herbe]

*useful over an M&F lynch. we get so much more info (re:the townreads) out of an mf flip, and mf doesn't even claim a really useful role to town anyway if we lost her. rnp is acting weird, yeah, and that merits investigation, but imo it's not the right move to lynch him today when we have such a better option

 

[kyeugh]

I’m writing a reply to mewtini’s q but. Guys. Shall we not lynch the dude who has a potentially useful role just because he’s making poor decisions? Wouldn’t it be a smarter move if somebody else swapped with him?

i don’t really understand the swapping thing still but generally i don’t think “they claimed a power role” is a good defense especially when they’re literally openly fucking town with it and the role isn’t really alignment indicative anyway

is there anyone you're less meh about? i still think MF makes the most sense by far, even if it won't be super illuminating, but i get being ambivalent too

not really, it just seems like no one has anything to say about it which is like. shrug. i desire spicy thread tbh

 

[mewtini]

I’m writing a reply to mewtini’s q but. Guys. Shall we not lynch the dude who has a potentially useful role just because he’s making poor decisions? Wouldn’t it be a smarter move if somebody else swapped with him?

i'm just going to say now that i really, really do not care that much about preserving a town power role when it has not - as far as we know - been beneficial for town, and when the person with the role hasn't been that involved or useful in discussions. i have to Read More but as i said before RNP is my next push. i thought that the day was ending tho so i didn't bother looking, but since we still have a while left maybe i will get a head start and report back eventually

also roleblocker isn't a townlean at all. it could very easily be mafia aligned

 

[Herbe]

i'm just going to say now that i really, really do not care that much about preserving a town power role when it has not - as far as we know - been beneficial for town, and when the person with the role hasn't been that involved or useful in discussions.

here I go again, loving mewtini

this this this. this is why i think rnp is the smartest push for tomorrow, ofc barring any Incredibly Spicy News from anyone. but even if there is spicy news, the rnp push still shouldn't be swept aside imo

 

[mewtini]

*useful over an M&F lynch. we get so much more info (re:the townreads) out of an mf flip, and mf doesn't even claim a really useful role to town anyway if we lost her. rnp is acting weird, yeah, and that merits investigation, but imo it's not the right move to lynch him today when we have such a better option

yeah, the fact that MF's claim is a paranoid cop is very, like, shrug to me. obviously i don't want to lose townies but there are worse things at least -

i agree with what y'all are saying. i just wanted to let it go on for a bit so i could see what stryke said, since i thought that maybe seshas was maybe trying to pull some sort of read out of stryke's response and not so much trying to lynch RNP. it looked like a wagon play to me, esp when seshas has pointed out a lot of anti-MF material

 

[rari_teh]

hey this might be a weird q when our lists largely agree, but i'm curious; can you talk to me about your 'absolutely' and 'hrm' tiers? with the exception of herbe

kyeugh: Consistently solvey, hasn’t ever backtracked on anything since d1 iirc, was quick to lynch Mawile. Also the way she acted when she was pressing me felt legitimately towny fsr? Like, she s Good feels overall.
kokorico: I still stand by this rationale I wrote on d2:

All of eir posts seem to be long, well founded and well thought out. Despite few and far-between, eir opinions don’t prey on low-hanging fruit and aren’t just reassurances of the majority thought, as would be expected from mafia. E’s vibing well enough for me to be almost sure e’s a townie with a busy-ish meat vegan life.

I have no reason to distrust eir roleclaim, too.
RedneckPhoenix: His insistence on blocking Stryke is mildly infuriating. I have three possible explanations: a) he’s just fucking with us for the sweet, sweet lulz and either doesn’t care about the game or didn’t even block Stryke to begin with; b) he knows something we don’t and has a perfectly good reason to block Stryke every night; c) Eifie died of healer clash, RNP was targeted by the Mafia and is now an activated alien trying his best to piss everyone off expecting to be lynched
Stryke: That crackpot epiphany I had the other day doesn’t leave the back of my mind. VM might’ve inherited a 3p role (nanobots deadly doctor) from JackPK and fakeclaimed white mage and nobody will counterclaim Stryke because of that
Mist1422: Very rarely posts and iirc she’s never been helpful. She’d be next in my to-lynch list.

 

[mewtini]

also roleblocker isn't a townlean at all. it could very easily be mafia aligned

last thing on RNP: just because he's, like, being public about his blocks doesn't make me trust him any more than i would if he kept quiet about it

also @rari thanks!

VM might’ve inherited a 3p role (nanobots deadly doctor) from JackPK and fakeclaimed white mage

how do you think this would benefit VM? on one hand making the fakeclaim could maybe make sense if he didn't know someone like skylar - who gets info upon being targeted - would come along, but beyond that i don't really see the value in it just yet. maybe it's a silly thing for me to townread VM for, but i can't see a reason why it would make sense for wolf!VM to do this

Mist1422: Very rarely posts and iirc she’s never been helpful. She’d be next in my to-lynch list.

why mist over RNP or an inactive (i.e. serimachi)?

 

[kyeugh]

here I go again, loving mewtini

this this this. this is why i think rnp is the smartest push for tomorrow, ofc barring any Incredibly Spicy News from anyone. but even if there is spicy news, the rnp push still shouldn't be swept aside imo

what, you dont love me for saying it first!?

 

[mewtini]

but I’M the same person as mewtini!

herbe loving either of us is the same as herbe loving both of us. it's science, my friend!

 

[mewtini]

Wouldn’t it be a smarter move if somebody else swapped with him?

wait, sorry, THIS is the last thing because i didn't see it earlier. i think ottercopter has done a good job of outlining why this is not the smartest idea lol

I don't think RNP is a good idea. If he's just blocking Stryke for his own amusement and not interested in anything we have to say, there's no guarantee he'll swap the power back later

 

[Ottercopter]

I’m writing a reply to mewtini’s q but. Guys. Shall we not lynch the dude who has a potentially useful role just because he’s making poor decisions? Wouldn’t it be a smarter move if somebody else swapped with him?

Glad we still have almost a day to figure this out, lol. I'd like to hear more of Keldeo's thoughts about swapping in particular. I hope the next day will give us some time to figure out who's a good or bad idea to swap with, but... RNP still doesn't seem trustworthy to me. In the worst case scenario, the swapper will be trading with mafia (or trigger whatever mechanics occur when someone tries to do that?).

Even in the best case... We're giving RNP the power to take someone's role at will. We can swap amongst ourselves after that, I guess, but we can't really get that role back without making him the body swapper in the end, right? The only way I could see that work is if we made absolutely sure to swap with him at the very last second for the EoD and that just seems risky if his approach to the game so far has just been "lolsorandom!" Plus, he could try the same thing the day after.

Still don't think we have an activated alien around. No changes in death patterns and all that.

 

[mewtini]

i agree with otter, again. in addition to the activated alien theory,

RNP was targeted by the Mafia and is now an activated alien trying his best to piss everyone off expecting to be lynched

(i know this is just a possibility that you're laying out, but) i want to mention again that it's kind of unlikely RNP was a mafia hit when he was still pretty much inactive and when they've seemed focused on uprooting Town Culture (between eifie, who was shepherding, and negrek, who was contributing a fair amount in addition to having her ability)

and like, even now that he's a bit more active, he would still be a really weird target. so

 

[Stryke]

i'm just going to say now that i really, really do not care that much about preserving a town power role when it has not - as far as we know - been beneficial for town, and when the person with the role hasn't been that involved or useful in discussions.

basically my logic too and definitely not because im salty at being blocked twice in a row for lulz >:(. Best case scenario, we catch a mafia man. Worst case scenario, we get rid of a townie that likely wasnt going to be too much help for the town anyways

 

[Ottercopter]

Oh! One little follow-up. If we really, really wanna try to take RNP's role and not just off him, we could swap with him right before lynching him at like 23:59 or the like. But we'd lose the body swapper role for good in the process, and I still dunno what could happen if he's mafia.
So. Probably not worth the risk. Also, it's not like the EoD is mechanically timed, so even seconds of wiggle room is time for things to go wrong. Butterfree did give us a sudden extension that one time. And I'm hoping we'll just... uncover more useful information to find a more definite target next day phase instead ala Mawile. But I may as well say it...?

 

[Ottercopter]

WAIT one more thing about that! For an RNP is mafia scenario: I think Negrek or someone mentioned that there's probably a mechanic to bodyswapping to prevent an outcome where a mafia person becomes a townie and just... rats out everyone in Mafia chat, but if there somehow isn't, killing the new body swapper/RNP in that scenario would prevent any chance of that happening too.

 

[RNP]

'ey fuck you otter


I leave the goddamn game for like what 36 hours to try and have a nice fuckin' weekend and y'all's trying to lynch me


strkye and I have history. either best friends or sworn enemies at any given moment. sometimes both.


i try and play my goddamn role by painting myself as a moron who can't achieve anything and it works! but what i was really doing for nights 1-3 was fishing for something that would result in a lack of a kill. which, admittedly, kind of a fool's errand in a game of this scope, but read the role, genius


ottercopter is saying some incredibly shady shit rn and nobody's contesting it

 

[RNP]

what are the odds that whatever swapper may be around is currently a mafioso who had their kill ability stolen or something. do you wanna take the risk of possibly giving the mafia a roleblock

 

[mewtini]

but what i was really doing for nights 1-3 was fishing for something that would result in a lack of a kill.

so did you not actually repeat-block stryke?

i try and play my goddamn role by painting myself as a moron who can't achieve anything and it works!

?_? lol

One little follow-up. If we really, really wanna try to take RNP's role and not just off him, we could swap with him right before lynching him at like 23:59 or the like.

this is actually, like, a good thought

ottercopter is saying some incredibly shady shit rn and nobody's contesting it

i don't see how this is shady given the assumptions that are being generally made. like, i don't have much reason to/rapport with you, at least not enough to townread you over other people? how is what otter's saying shady coming from the mindset of w!RNP being a possibility

what are the odds that whatever swapper may be around is currently a mafioso who had their kill ability stolen or something. do you wanna take the risk of possibly giving the mafia a roleblock

nor is this actually worse odds than you having the role rn when none of us have a strong read on you