Furries

[sovram]

Being queer, I'd like to chime in and say that in theory I really have no ill will towards otherkin! I'm basically a robot otherkin rofl :( I've dealt with feelings of being slightly off-human for most of my conscious life

It's totally reasonable to be upset about the appropriation and ... horrible behavior that is associated with the community, I don't fault you at all for that! I'm just really uncomfortable with the generalizations

(sorry for basically just copying Butterfree's post but I want to add my voice)

((off topic Butterfree I want to read your Community fanfic))

 

[Ether's Bane]

OKAY FINE I'LL GO OFF TOPIC AGAIN. (sorry :( ) I'm really really curious - what is it that's so terrible about the Sonic fandom? Maybe I don't visit the right websites but just like Twilight and Justin Bieber fans, I've seen people complain about them a lot, but I've never actually come across a fan of them that was annoying about it.

Byrus already explained it for the Sonic fandom, but as for the other two:

Go to Tumblr.

(By the way, One Direction fans are far worse than Bieber fans.)

 

[Datura]

Can we not generalize massively about groups of people that aren't literally defined by whatever problem you're having with them, please?

wow, NO

yeah there may be some people in a community who aren't horrible but that doesn't change the fact that they're participating in a community that does horrible things.

there are republicans who like gay people. i'm still going to call the republican party homophobic

there are redditors who aren't misogynistic racist pricks but i'm still going to make fun of how fucking shitty redditors are

there are bronies who don't appropriate & fetishize a cartoon meant for young girls, but they're still involved in a community that embraces middle-aged men jacking off to infantile pony porn (so bronies can gtfo too!!!)

when i speak of a group collectively ("otherkin need to gtfo") i am not referring to the few individuals who are harmless. you know that. i'm referring to the overwhelming majority who appropriate trans* issues and encourage other people to do the same. for people who hate semantics in debate you sure love to invoke them at every opportunity!

[deleted this part of the post because it's unnecessarily mean]

 

[Minish]

and really clear that you care more about hearing your own voice than speaking up for marginalized people.

and yet you're the cis person acting personally victimised by the otherkin community

this isn't even about you

like, you serious here?

 

[Datura]

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[Minish]

l m a o

kind of shitty of you to assume i'm cis

um? you have always said you're cis up to now, so......................... not really an assumption ...

 

[Datura]

[things that didn't need to be said were once here]

 

[ultraviolet]

i rescinded that part of my post.

this frustration stems from more than just this thread. you've been really shitty when it doesn't have anything to do with trans* issues

so if someone's being shitty to you, discuss it privately with them (or someone else) like an adult instead of letting it fester for ages and then bringing it into a thread about something else entirely so you can get upset and feel justified about it?

at this point it really just seems like you want people to just be angry in this thread so you can act like it's not your fault.

 

[Butterfree]

This has nothing even to do with social justice; it has to do with not being a dick. Generally hostile comments, such as "X should gtfo" where X is a non-inherently-harmful group that many people self-identify as, create a negative, hostile atmosphere, and I got sick of that a while ago (in fact, in large part I got sick of it because of people being jerks about social justice). So as I was saying, you're welcome to criticize what goes on in the otherkin community to your heart's content, but you can't do it in an aggressively hostile, flamebaity way such as by making unexplained gross generalizations that are liable to get legitimately harmless people riled up and/or hurt. It's great you're working towards making things better for marginalized people, but it really shouldn't be too far out of your way to also observe basic forum etiquette while you do it.

If you feel Cirrus or whoever is being unnecessarily hostile to you or anyone at some point in the future, over social justice or anything else, please report it; I am genuinely trying to hammer down on people being jerks to each other on here.

 

[Datura]

bringing this to PMs, back to your regularly scheduled discussion of furries

 

[Jolty]

i thought i closed the tab to tumblr. weird.

on furries:
it took me ages to be ok with them as a whole, generally i don't really care what they do and i like some of the art and stuff
but those overly sexual ones, y'know the ones who take it too far, i do not like. they were what i first saw of furries and were the reason i had the "god i hate furries" mindset for so long.

 

[Tarvos]

Okay, you lot have got me convinced that this type of thing is just something I don't want to touch with a ten-foot pole. Actually, I wouldn't want to touch it were I wearing a New Anti-Harmful Substance Wetsuit 3000.

I'm gonna go with a furry - "someone who enjoys animals, sometimes fetishizes them"

Otherkin - "someone who believes they are an animal trapped in the body of a human"

as simple, workable definitions and leave the rest of this thread alone. Curiosity goes a long way, but this is too much.