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Of course I'm not forcing you to do anything if you don't want to, but seriously, what have you got to lose? Five seconds of your life?
man, i feel you... sorry to hear that though. would you feel comfortable claiming before you go?I honestly don't feel like I want to spend my weekend arguing about this, so I'm going to dip. gl Town
myuma where are you
Could this be a town vs indeps game? Two of the dead are 3rd party, and the other is town. I also think it would make sense of the relatively strange behaviour from experienced players like Zori.
also rnp's role ended up being fake tbh tbhOn second thoughts, the existence of RNP's role suggests otherwise.
Oh yeah. Where did he admit it was fake? Not doubting that it happened, I just want to go and see the post.
also, negrek did end up posting a few minutes before you. where does that leave your stance on her?gonna come out and say it now
i was totally bullshitting yall with my obscenely-overpowered role
Well I was thinking about not asking for badges and the early claim. The way I see it is it's risky. Like RNP's supermiller claim, or because someone could cc her. And mafia would be at least somewhat interested in getting badges and/or not letting town get them. It's more similar to Zori's play if you ask me, except without the asking for badges. Also I think you misinterpreted me. I didn't mean that it was something town would do, just that a mafia playing the way she has been could potentially be a risk to their own team.why wouldn't it seem like something mafia would do tbh
and in particular, why does doubling back on the claim would it seem like something /town/ would ever do?
not if she really has the duplicator power, which she easily could even as mafia. i’m not sure this really means anything, and the fact that she later pointed to it as evidence of her own towniness when backed into a corner reveals a potential motivation for her to claim early as wolf.Well I was thinking about not asking for badges and the early claim. The way I see it is it's risky. Like RNP's supermiller claim, or because someone could cc her.
also, negrek did end up posting a few minutes before you. where does that leave your stance on her?
-m
also @ミ☆ ᴍyᴜᴍᴀ i forgot - what experience do you have with mafia?
-m
first thing (about the cc) - said this earlier, but we aren't doubting that her role isn't in part real; duplicator makes fine enough sense for mafia to have. in re: the early claim, we talked about this in our other post;Well I was thinking about not asking for badges and the early claim. The way I see it is it's risky. Like RNP's supermiller claim, or because someone could cc her.
i also would argue that her comments about the badges are like ... NAI? fwiw the early claim/badgestance are clearly working, and i think it's plausible for scum to say "don't give me badges" if it a) isn't something they need, b) makes them look towny, or c) both.we think the early claim is sorta towny on its own, but not, like, especially so. and we're very much of the opinion that whatever town points it did win her were cancelled out and then some by this post, where she points to it as evidence of her own towniness. imo "if i'm mafia, why do i do THIS, huh!?" rarely feels good—very LAMIST vibes and i think these thoughts occur to wolves more often than town.
*is in partisn't in part real
Sorry, "ingroup" was not quite the right word. What I meant is "coherent mafia faction", i.e., basically the the same thing as myuma just suggested, that there's just the town and a whole load of third parties. Like I said, though, I don't think I'm necessarily at the point of really believing this, it's just speculation for now.... why?I'm almost at the point of wondering if there's an ingroup at all, though maybe it's a bit premature to be thinking about that.
we haven't had any outgroup flips
What about the town wincon do you think confirms the existence of a mafia faction? Because I'm looking at it now, and I'm not seeing it at all. I suppose it's just about possible that Mampers phrased different people's wincons differently, but that would be an exceptional level of bastardry.um, no? because town wincon confirms there's mafia?
-m
the part that says we win when all scum are dead? scum does mean “independents,” it means mafia. in a town vs independent setup it would likely say “opposing factions” or something instead. idk why we have to question the very basic foundation and semantics of the game every time for no reason tbh.What about the town wincon do you think confirms the existence of a mafia faction? Because I'm looking at it now, and I'm not seeing it at all. I suppose it's just about possible that Mampers phrased different people's wincons differently, but that would be an exceptional level of bastardry.
scum *doesn't mean “independents,”
Oh, good, it does actually say the same thing for you. thank god. big TL on you for that.the part that says we win when all scum are dead? scum does mean “independents,” it means mafia. in a town vs independent setup it would likely say “opposing factions” or something instead. idk why we have to question the very basic foundation and semantics of the game every time for no reason tbh.What about the town wincon do you think confirms the existence of a mafia faction? Because I'm looking at it now, and I'm not seeing it at all. I suppose it's just about possible that Mampers phrased different people's wincons differently, but that would be an exceptional level of bastardry.
-q
No... it... doesn't? It doesn't reference the presence of a mafia at all. Unless I'm misunderstanding a term definition. I don't know if I feel like ~four mafia and two 3p (or maybe three and three or something) feels more likely to me than oops all third party. A second kill last night makes me lean more towards some number of mafia a bit, but again, it's also possible there's one or more other 3p with some kind of conditional kill ability, as Zori apparently was, who managed to get a shot off instead.Could this be a town vs indeps game? Two of the dead are 3rd party, and the other is town. I also think it would make sense of the relatively strange behaviour from experienced players like Zori.
real answer:
um, no? because town wincon confirms there's mafia?
-m