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Jon Stewart and Mike Huckabee on Gay Marriage

down here in texusland if you bring up the subject people start bringing out the crosses and nailguns :|
 
Sir Lucario said:
"Logic" says we DO have the same rights. How do we not?
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Logic also says that in the interest of future human beings we let all patients with genetic diseases die.

That aside, your logic could be applied to - and really, I'm sorry I keep using this example, but no one has ever countered it - the situation before interracial marriage was allowed. Looking back, I am certain the majority of people would say the situation was one of unequal rights. So clearly your definition of equal rights is wrong: it works only from a purely legal perspective.
 
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Here's betting he won't come back here now.

Or he'll come out with some really vague response to it all just to prove me wrong, which would be a little more exciting.
 
the debating hall in a nutshell:

regular 1: know who's awesome? Dawkins.
regular 2: oh yeah totally and Obama is also kickass.
some conservative: I disagree! The theory of evolution is full of holes, and Obama's tax plan will hurt America.
regulars: HEY SHUT UP your logic is invalid and ridiculous and you are an IDIOT for thinking such a thing!
some conservative: well, I still disagree. *leaves*
regulars: HEY COME BACK AND DEBATE YOU COWARD


really guys is it any wonder why no one wants to debate with you
 
regulars: HEY SHUT UP your logic is invalid because of arguments a, b, and c which are supported by sources d, e, and f and ridiculous and you are an IDIOT for thinking such a thing!
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What.

So left wing people are poor debaters even when they actually can back up their arguments?
 
Zeta Reticuli: Why pretend to accept the beliefs we find ridiculous if we have perfectly valid reasons for disagreeing with them? If I find someone's way of thinking to be unacceptable, I'm not going to act like I don't.
 
Imagine the following scenario:

You're a big fan of Anime X, so you decide to join an online community for it, hoping that you can meet some people who share a common interest with you. However, once you get there, you learn that not only is almost everyone there an Anime X watcher, they're also all devout Christians. They have a thread that discusses "the true nature of God" or something so you post something there saying "you fools, there is no god", hoping to spark a debate. Then, in response the regulars all say something like "No, you idiot heathen, there is a god because of x, y, and z argument. Shut up, I'll be laughing when you're burning in hell." All the forumgoers think this and you're in the vast minority. So are you really going to stick around and debate?
 
They would lack the "perfectly valid arguments" that are commonplace here, as the people on the other end of the stick here often do too.
 
Everyone thinks their argument is valid. Having one doesn't mean you should insult anyone who disagrees with you.
 
Good thing we don't do that, then. You're missing out the steps in the middle too, the ones where they tread around your arguments and don't use any facts to back up their points, but continue to cling onto them adamantly anyway - I don't see why we should put up with that.
 
You know, the debate about gay marriage boils down to beliefs and values. There's no real point to the argument, everyone knows that they're right.
 
GOD ZETA WHY ARE YOU SO CONTROVERSIAL OH YOU DOG YOU

Uh
yay, gay marriage \o/?
 
Lucas755 said:
You know, the debate about gay marriage boils down to beliefs and values. There's no real point to the argument, everyone knows that they're right.
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and beliefs and values can still be false if they're not backed up

this is like saying

"two and two equals five, this is my opinion therefore I am right"

Everyone thinks their argument is valid. Having one doesn't mean you should insult anyone who disagrees with you.
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There are two major problems with this statement.

1) we aren't insulting anybody. Calling somebody out on bad logic is not an insult, it's an attempt to help them see their mistakes and point them in the right direction.
2)I don't care what anyone thinks. They can think two and two is five, or gravity doesn't exist, but if they think the latter and I push them off a high building they're still gonna die. It matters absolute dipshit. Thinking your argument is valid simply does not make the argument correct.

Your argument is still majorly flawed. No matter whether you are in a majority or a minority, it doesn't make the argument any more right or wrong. Argumentum ad populum sucks.
 
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I see what Zeta says.

Believing that 2+2=5 is not the same as thinking that, say, we should have affirmative action. 2+2=4 and we all accept that and can prove it. However, whether or not affirmative action is beneficial as a whole is subjective and that's sort of why it's debated. If most people here thought affirmative action was good, then there would eventually be some sort of animosity towards those who don't support affirmative action, regardless of their arguments.

In addition, many people here do the same thing they dislike; they have their conclusion and try to find facts to support them. I'd say there are few people here who actually do take what their opponent says into consideration. I also wonder how many people here have seriously debated outside of a forum populated mostly by teenagers who typically do not have the best arguments. Some of you* think you've heard every argument against you and so therefore you are infallible; this makes debating with you a drag.

Yes, there are times when there is just insulting in the debating hall. "You can't see my point and so clearly you are an idiot and I'm not going to bother talking to you anymore!" It happens with both the majority and the minority. Well, if someone doesn't see the point, maybe they don't understand it and it ought to be rephrased? If it does get to the point where they can't comprehend it, well, what can you do?

* I know there are people here who actually know what they're talking about, have seen debates outside Pokemon forums, bother to back up their arguments and don't attack the opposing party. Obviously, these are not the people I'm talking about!
 
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