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Sounds like fun! When you say post-post-apocalyptic, do you mean something dystopic? That's usually the setting used for that kind of YA novel, but I'm just curious because I wouldn't call a lot of them post-post-apocalyptic.Totodile said:I have some semblance of an idea, with a post-post-apocalyptic fantasy world where the standard teen girl rebel is actually the antagonist.
I was thinking along the lines of "post-apocalyptic" referring to proto-societies being built among the ashes of advanced civilizations that have collapsed, with "post-post-apocalyptic" being a little further along than that (so that survival is easier by now, culture is redeveloping, and the different settlements are getting back in contact with each other, but the wilds are still dangerous and not everyone is sold on cooperating with other people). I'm kind of leery of calling it dystopian since nowadays that's associated with the old plot of "bad things are happening to teenagers because the government is eeeevil." The government here isn't evil, but it is flawed - the magical norms of the culture make it difficult for outliers to fit in. The antagonist does have legitimate gripes with these, but she's blowing them far enough out of proportion that she doesn't care about the collateral damage her crusade might cause. So I guess what I'm interested in is seeing a dystopia story where the violent overthrow of a government in a world trying to get back on its feet would be a bad thing.Sounds like fun! When you say post-post-apocalyptic, do you mean something dystopic? That's usually the setting used for that kind of YA novel, but I'm just curious because I wouldn't call a lot of them post-post-apocalyptic.
I was thinking along the lines of "post-apocalyptic" referring to proto-societies being built among the ashes of advanced civilizations that have collapsed, with "post-post-apocalyptic" being a little further along than that (so that survival is easier by now, culture is redeveloping, and the different settlements are getting back in contact with each other, but the wilds are still dangerous and not everyone is sold on cooperating with other people). I'm kind of leery of calling it dystopian since nowadays that's associated with the old plot of "bad things are happening to teenagers because the government is eeeevil." The government here isn't evil, but it is flawed - the magical norms of the culture make it difficult for outliers to fit in. The antagonist does have legitimate gripes with these, but she's blowing them far enough out of proportion that she doesn't care about the collateral damage her crusade might cause. So I guess what I'm interested in is seeing a dystopia story where the violent overthrow of a government in a world trying to get back on its feet would be a bad thing.
/me putting too much thought into this
Nice! I think it would definitely be interesting to look at the consequences one of your classic teenage rebellions would actually have on society... usually it's treated as though the government is Bad, therefore rebellion = necessarily the best plan. (Are you familiar with the Dystopian YA Novel twitter?)I was thinking along the lines of "post-apocalyptic" referring to proto-societies being built among the ashes of advanced civilizations that have collapsed, with "post-post-apocalyptic" being a little further along than that (so that survival is easier by now, culture is redeveloping, and the different settlements are getting back in contact with each other, but the wilds are still dangerous and not everyone is sold on cooperating with other people). I'm kind of leery of calling it dystopian since nowadays that's associated with the old plot of "bad things are happening to teenagers because the government is eeeevil." The government here isn't evil, but it is flawed - the magical norms of the culture make it difficult for outliers to fit in. The antagonist does have legitimate gripes with these, but she's blowing them far enough out of proportion that she doesn't care about the collateral damage her crusade might cause. So I guess what I'm interested in is seeing a dystopia story where the violent overthrow of a government in a world trying to get back on its feet would be a bad thing.
/me putting too much thought into this
And do you happen to have any writing projects to admit to, mister?As a big fan of dystopian fiction can I just say this sounds like a really fun subversion. :D
I think my main problem is that I have too many story ideas and keep switching between them. So I'm basically trying to force myself to focus better and concentrate on the one thing. I'm aiming to finish a couple of short stories centred around the same universe, then maybe aim to complete a novella.
(Are you familiar with the Dystopian YA Novel twitter?)
Let's see if we can write a dystopian post-apocalyptic novel that doesn't sound like an amalgam of painfully bad young-adult tropes (and maybe turn it into a manga if i like how it turns out).
The protagonist, Bertl, lives in a distant future's northwestern Europe, in an underground complex called "Altarrum" where all youths are tested at age sixteen on general knowledge. Those who fail the test mysteriously disappear, ostensibly to a place far away where they are better needed. Those who pass are sorted into various intellectually-based jobs depending on their test performance.
Bertl is at the top of his class, an intellectual giant unrivalled in Altarrum's history. As Valedictorian, he has full claim to any job he wants, and is heir apparent to Altarrum itself. However, his care-free, laissez-faire view on life changes when he becomes tutor to a young boy named Casimir...
I'm in this year. I'm going somewhere similar to Sandstone-Shadow, in which i write a dystopian-post-apocalypse novel that doesn't suck.
Ah, my bad!Oh, it's Totodile writing the post-apocalyptic one, not me. :)
Whoa, this is actually really similar to something i was considering doing for NaNo a few months ago? I mean, all right, the only real similarity is fantasy birds with magical properties, but still! It's always cool to see an abstract magic concept like that, so i hope you'll consider revising it after you win this year and releasing it to the public! :oMy story is about fantasy birds and their magic. My main character always creates magical flames when she sings - the songs are the spell-words, basically. But this is highly illegal and birds have been taken away for it, including her parents. She can't sing without making fire, but the corra bird culture revolves pretty heavily around song, so somehow she has to hide it.
Do it! If you think writing all 50,000 words is too much, then shoot for a lower score, but you should definitely do something this year. If it feels like too much, take a break, but don't give up beforehand!Also, as the semester rolls along, I'm starting to doubt whether or not I should commit to NaNo... I really really want to write this November. But I don't know if I should - my classes and such feel like they need to take my full attention. Someone should talk me out of quitting - there's got to be a balance, right?
Haha, that's funny! Fantasy birds with magical properties are pretty awesome :D I definitely want to publish this someday! I've been working on this story for years and I really do hope people like it someday when it's done!Whoa, this is actually really similar to something i was considering doing for NaNo a few months ago? I mean, all right, the only real similarity is fantasy birds with magical properties, but still! It's always cool to see an abstract magic concept like that, so i hope you'll consider revising it after you win this year and releasing it to the public! :o
Thanks for the encouragement! Oh man. I feel like this is going to be a big (but not bad) personal challenge for me. Time management is not always my forte. But you're right. I can't give up before I even started. I'm going to do this!Do it! If you think writing all 50,000 words is too much, then shoot for a lower score, but you should definitely do something this year. If it feels like too much, take a break, but don't give up beforehand!