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Tarot Mafia

MampersandF

bastard of puppets
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Thoughts on remaining players:

To be honest I don't quite agree with everyone townreading Trebek encouraging people to believe Ultracool but not visit him? If Ultracool were a bomb, then yeah, that'd be weird. But suppose regular old mafia!Ultracool kind of walked into the thread brazenly making a fun claim without quite talking it over with his partners - perhaps the mafia has some role that'd make this potentially accomplish something, but then somebody else in mafia chat goes hey, no, that's a bad idea, if people actually target you they're going to realize you're lying about your role. At that point, the mafia do want people to townread Ultracool, but don't want people to target him and learn that actually he doesn't give out items for as long as possible. Right? It's only a possibility but I don't think it's impossible.

I've been getting the worst vibes off M&F for one reason or another, but I can't quite confidently say whether it's just a tone/playstyle thing or if it's legitimately suspect without ISOing her.
um, chief, did I read this right or are you talking about people "townreading Trebek", who flipped mafia??
Townreading Ultracool because of Trebek encouraging people etc. etc.
alright, this makes sense now; phew, for a sec there I thought everyone else wasn't catching the fast-read slip-up of the century
 

mewtini

sorry guys, don’t lose
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I appreciate the readiness to come forward, but this was a reasonably falsifiable claim, so I can't really afford certainity to it
is it falsifiable? depending on who storm claims to have targeted they'll be able to be found out kind of quickly tbh
 

mewtini

sorry guys, don’t lose
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unless w!storm just gives out roles for the mafia or something. that would be kind of epic lmfao
 

Butterfree

Still loves Joltik, though!
Staff member
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Huh. Mine's activated with a phrase during the day - which means I can prove it, if it comes to that: arrange for one person to get the most votes, make me lynchproof them, and then have the person we actually want to lynch in second place. Preferably the former would be me, of course; I've asked VM if I can target myself.

Of course that doesn't prove I'm not mafia that has this power, but it should lay this particular concern to rest.
 

mewtini

sorry guys, don’t lose
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I appreciate the readiness to come forward, but this was a reasonably falsifiable claim, so I can't really afford certainity to it
is it falsifiable? depending on who storm claims to have targeted they'll be able to be found out kind of quickly tbh
i guess the bigger issue is that flavorcop is somewhat NAI aiui
 

mewtini

sorry guys, don’t lose
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she/her
I admittedly ignored basically anything between him and RNP -- I frankly do not remember what role he claimed -- but get this: is it possible that RNP's mechanical leniency towards Stryke this time indicates w/w? sure, they both had to keep up appearances by sniping each other, but they also went unexpectedly easy on each other this rodeo
i'm not sure if you factored in the fact that terrorist RNP probably wouldn't know what alignment stryke (or anyone) was
if anything, it feels like you're persisting on pure mechspec at a time when it's not natural to do so even for an old meta player.
can you elaborate more on this?
 

MampersandF

bastard of puppets
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I'm the Justice arcana and I have a one-shot power to make the player I choose lynchproof until the following day, which strikes me as a power that's not very useful for town at all but one way or another that's what I got.
This claim makes me feel a little weird but I want to wait for the rest of our lurkers to claim before I say why
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I see how getting everyone else to claim first would be a legitimate reason to withhold this information. If you want to still be able to catch someone in a counterclaim, explain the relevant evidence without revealing your arcana.
Not "everyone", just the four lurkers I thought we'd agreed earlier should claim before everyone else, but fair point, I'll go ahead

I have a one-shot power that can only be activated during the 10-minute grace period between the final vote count and the flip; I can PM VM to nullify the yeet and turn it into a no-yeet

Obviously this isn't a hard counterclaim on you since these roles could both conceivably exist together, but since they both essentially amount to different ways to turn a yeet into a no-yeet, they seem a little too overlapping for my comfort
governor, eh?

I suppose it does seem a little more plausible when you gave the longform explanation, including the specification that VM takes governor PMs at twilight, without seeming to be familiar with the role's common name. not saying that that's a clear, but it does make me less suspicious

although, that said? butterfree demanding this information doesn't look phenomenally towny to me, and that stacks with the rest of the bad vibes. hmmmmmm

oh well, what's for it if not to park there. Butterfree
 

MampersandF

bastard of puppets
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any
I appreciate the readiness to come forward, but this was a reasonably falsifiable claim, so I can't really afford certainity to it
is it falsifiable? depending on who storm claims to have targeted they'll be able to be found out kind of quickly tbh
I mean, it can be as easy as claiming to have targeted only dead people or people who already had a go at stating their arcana. that's almost everyone right now.

although maybe that can be settled with some direct questions. storm, did you target anyone who's still alive? and has every living player you targeted already claimed their arcana?

I appreciate the readiness to come forward, but this was a reasonably falsifiable claim, so I can't really afford certainity to it
is it falsifiable? depending on who storm claims to have targeted they'll be able to be found out kind of quickly tbh
i guess the bigger issue is that flavorcop is somewhat NAI aiui
that's also a problem tho, yeah; it's also a totally reasonable overly honest scum claim

I admittedly ignored basically anything between him and RNP -- I frankly do not remember what role he claimed -- but get this: is it possible that RNP's mechanical leniency towards Stryke this time indicates w/w? sure, they both had to keep up appearances by sniping each other, but they also went unexpectedly easy on each other this rodeo
i'm not sure if you factored in the fact that terrorist RNP probably wouldn't know what alignment stryke (or anyone) was
I know, but RNP wasn't any sort of a regular terrorist; I feel like it's hard to say if he was in-group or not, least of all because he did nail two townies without reading shit
 

mewtini

sorry guys, don’t lose
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I mean, it can be as easy as claiming to have targeted only dead people or people who already had a go at stating their arcana. that's almost everyone right now.
yeah i was mostly saying that we could figure this out upon storm giving results, lol. if they fell into that class then we'd know it wasn't as reliable of a claim.
I know, but RNP wasn't any sort of a regular terrorist; I feel like it's hard to say if he was in-group or not, least of all because he did nail two townies without reading shit
but his terrorist role being more powerful than normal terrorist makes it more likely for him to be outgroup, imo
 

Stryke

The finchiest of widgets
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Stryke - I admittedly ignored basically anything between him and RNP -- I frankly do not remember what role he claimed -- but get this: is it possible that RNP's mechanical leniency towards Stryke this time indicates w/w? sure, they both had to keep up appearances by sniping each other, but they also went unexpectedly easy on each other this rodeo
Define easy? His earliest post in the thread was to vote for me, I voted for him immediately afterwards, he used his Tower bomb to get Herbe to vote for me, and even though it was misguided, I tried throwing him under the bus the moment I had some (what I thought to be) evidence against him
 

mewtini

sorry guys, don’t lose
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I tried throwing him under the bus the moment I had some (what I thought to be) evidence against him
yeah

i guess it's maybe possible for stryke to be ingroup unaware of rnp being outgroup but i'm townreading stryke
 

MampersandF

bastard of puppets
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any
Stryke - I admittedly ignored basically anything between him and RNP -- I frankly do not remember what role he claimed -- but get this: is it possible that RNP's mechanical leniency towards Stryke this time indicates w/w? sure, they both had to keep up appearances by sniping each other, but they also went unexpectedly easy on each other this rodeo
Define easy? His earliest post in the thread was to vote for me, I voted for him immediately afterwards, he used his Tower bomb to get Herbe to vote for me, and even though it was misguided, I tried throwing him under the bus the moment I had some (what I thought to be) evidence against him
yeah, voting for you, which is exactly what he does every single game and is well aware doesn't get you lynched on its own. and I feel like it's at least a highly reasonable read of the turn of events that he was using his tower powers primarily to goad Herbe into breaking the rules and being modkilled

and yeah, you tried to get RedneckPhoenix lynched even harder. then it failed. then RedneckPhoenix claimed that derpcleared you, and you proceeded to move on from pushing RedneckPhoenix, even as a joke. convenient, isn't it?

last but not least, I'm not sure if you just committed the freudian slip of the century or you just don't understand what "throwing someone under the bus" normally means in mafia lingo-
 

Mr. Ultracool

Red Fool
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Huh. Mine's activated with a phrase during the day - which means I can prove it, if it comes to that: arrange for one person to get the most votes, make me lynchproof them, and then have the person we actually want to lynch in second place. Preferably the former would be me, of course; I've asked VM if I can target myself.

Of course that doesn't prove I'm not mafia that has this power, but it should lay this particular concern to rest.
So, it doesn't count as a visit so I could prove that I'm the Wheel of Fortune like I said?
 

mewtini

sorry guys, don’t lose
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she/her
yeah, voting for you, which is exactly what he does every single game and is well aware doesn't get you lynched on its own. and I feel like it's at least a highly reasonable read of the turn of events that he was using his tower powers primarily to goad Herbe into breaking the rules and being modkilled

and yeah, you tried to get RedneckPhoenix lynched even harder. then it failed. then RedneckPhoenix claimed that derpcleared you, and you proceeded to move on from pushing RedneckPhoenix, even as a joke. convenient, isn't it?

last but not least, I'm not sure if you just committed the freudian slip of the century or you just don't understand what "throwing someone under the bus" normally means in mafia lingo-
what tbh
 
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